Don't think this is what WE had in mind...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

You don't think they already have fallen enough? If people keep losing equity and home values keep plummeting, how can that be good? So many people are backwards on their mortgages, not because of anything they did wrong, but rather their homes have depreciated 30% in 2-3 years.

if you go to zillow.com you can see how badly hit CA, AZ, and FL are compared to the rest of the country. There are plenty of areas of the country where the home values are not falling or are actually rising again.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

if you go to zillow.com you can see how badly hit CA, AZ, and FL are compared to the rest of the country. There are plenty of areas of the country where the home values are not falling or are actually rising again.

you're right chuck and those areas that are doing well now did not have the huge run up in the boom years


the overheated mkts still need to fall back into normal historical levels

i was in ft meyers about 3 weeks ago , the worst is yet to come down there

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

you're right chuck and those areas that are doing well now did not have the huge run up in the boom years


the overheated mkts still need to fall back into normal historical levels

i was in ft meyers about 3 weeks ago , the worst is yet to come down there

very true but it seems as though three states in particular are going to get a disproportionate amount of help. There are 50 states in the Union that have to pay for those other three states transgressions.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

very true but it seems as though three states in particular are going to get a disproportionate amount of help. There are 50 states in the Union that have to pay for those other three states transgressions.

fl and az is where investors from other states fueled the run-up though chuck

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123500874299418721.html

CEO's get a lot of heat deservedly so but your statement is so out of touch with reality that it is scary.

It was intended to be.
But the following is NOT:


But what is not out of touch is that the CEO's made
PITIFUL business decisions using government money,
and are in much better
shape after these stupid decisions compared to the avg. worker.

BTW.
I thoroughly dislike most Unions and the way they are run.
Teachers unions dont really exist in Texas. And that is fine
with me.

[Danzig]

an excerpt from an article i just read:



National Guardsmen and National Reservists are in particular need, he said. When a Guard or Reservist gets activated, his employer is required only to keep his position open until his return — not to pay his salary while he is on active duty. As a result, most Guards and Reserve soldiers end up supporting families on their military income alone, which is usually less than half of what they earned in their civilian jobs.
"On average, they're making 50 percent or 60 percent of what they were making when they were deployed, and they leave the wife to deal with the issues, and they're on the edge because their bills remain the same," said Walsh. "So we get calls — I mean, we get calls for food, calls in the middle of winter when people's, you know, utilities were shut off."

According to RealtyTrac, a data research firm in California, that tracks foreclosure statistics, military families have filed for foreclosure at a much higher rate than civilian families since the start of the economic downturn. Their research shows that in the first four months of 2008, foreclosure filings for military families were up 217 percent; the national average was 59 percent

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

wasn't about 65% of the 'stimulus' actually just more spending? that's another side effect from rushing, everyone throws in stuff they want, hoping it sails thru with what is supposedly needed.

FINALLY....a light goes on at DT!............but it took a month!

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You know so they can further their reputation as the party of the poor and downtrodden who are by far the easiest voting bloc to influence.

Oh fear not ....

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...s_pr_blit.html

All I gotta say Cannon ... is 'Ya down with the GOP?'

Good luck to them with all of that.

There's a two party system I'd be down with .. but it's a shame the libertarian party lacks that ever pesky 'it' known as 'credibility' ... the Republicans are finally out of power and off in the wilderness .. but based on what we saw from them the last 8 years .. they don't belong in the wilderness .. they belong extinct... dangling from lightposts in the streets.

One day I hope to be able to tell my grandkids about what happened in this country in 2004.

After four years with an intellectually bankrupt chimpanzee and his morally bankrupt crook pals running the country. They actually won re-election by running on slogans such as 'four more wars' - 'unless you're corporate elite, you'll get nothing and like it!' - and who can forget 'kill a queer for Jesus.'

But hey, please spare me any rational reply and just hook a negro up with a..

"oh no u di'nt muhfukka ... you'd BEST not be disrespectin the dub-oh-you! .. the pimp datty W in chief!"

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

an excerpt from an article i just read:



National Guardsmen and National Reservists are in particular need, he said. When a Guard or Reservist gets activated, his employer is required only to keep his position open until his return — not to pay his salary while he is on active duty. As a result, most Guards and Reserve soldiers end up supporting families on their military income alone, which is usually less than half of what they earned in their civilian jobs.
"On average, they're making 50 percent or 60 percent of what they were making when they were deployed, and they leave the wife to deal with the issues, and they're on the edge because their bills remain the same," said Walsh. "So we get calls — I mean, we get calls for food, calls in the middle of winter when people's, you know, utilities were shut off."

According to RealtyTrac, a data research firm in California, that tracks foreclosure statistics, military families have filed for foreclosure at a much higher rate than civilian families since the start of the economic downturn. Their research shows that in the first four months of 2008, foreclosure filings for military families were up 217 percent; the national average was 59 percent

Our service people have been royally screwed over when it comes to keeping them solvent...in any economy! And yet they are passed by when it comes to the "helping hand". A F'N TRAVESTY I tell ya....This is the group of folks who need a secure net under them. They need a 50% raise,but you won't see the lazy-ass Congress do anything about it.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Oh fear not ....

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...s_pr_blit.html

All I gotta say Cannon ... is 'Ya down with the GOP?'

Good luck to them with all of that.

There's a two party system I'd be down with .. but it's a shame the libertarian party lacks that ever pesky 'it' known as 'credibility' ... the Republicans are finally out of power and off in the wilderness .. but based on what we saw from them the last 8 years .. they don't belong in the wilderness .. they belong extinct... dangling from lightposts in the streets.

One day I hope to be able to tell my grandkids about what happened in this country in 2004.

After four years with an intellectually bankrupt chimpanzee and his morally bankrupt crook pals running the country. They actually won re-election by running on slogans such as 'four more wars' - 'unless you're corporate elite, you'll get nothing and like it!' - and who can forget 'kill a queer for Jesus.'

But hey, please spare me any rational reply and just hook a negro up with a..

"oh no u di'nt muhfukka ... you'd BEST not be disrespectin the dub-oh-you! .. the pimp datty W in chief!"

.....this is supposed to be a credible post?...an intelligent stream of thought?
You're as bad as those you condemn!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

fl and az is where investors from other states fueled the run-up though chuck

not necessarily. that would assume that the vast majority were investment properties not actual homes

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

.....this is supposed to be a credible post?...an intelligent stream of thought?
You're as bad as those you condemn!

Y u be hatin'?

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Y u be hatin'?

Hardly....just stating the obvious vitrol in your post!

There needs to be a balance.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

It was intended to be.
But the following is NOT:


But what is not out of touch is that the CEO's made
PITIFUL business decisions using government money,
and are in much better
shape after these stupid decisions compared to the avg. worker.

BTW.
I thoroughly dislike most Unions and the way they are run.
Teachers unions dont really exist in Texas. And that is fine
with me.

Of course the top people are in better shape than the average worker. There is a reason why some become CEO's and the vast majority of us dont. No one makes worse decisions with govt money than the govt. Demonizing CEO's is just rhetoric of the left and one more attempt at the class warfare that they continually wage to the detriment of the country as a whole. While no one is saying that there werent bad decisions and in some cases probably some criminal behavior the vast majorities of CEO's in this country are hard working, smart and honest people who pay far more in taxes than their 'fair share' especially as compared to those avg workers.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Oh fear not ....

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...s_pr_blit.html

All I gotta say Cannon ... is 'Ya down with the GOP?'

Good luck to them with all of that.

There's a two party system I'd be down with .. but it's a shame the libertarian party lacks that ever pesky 'it' known as 'credibility' ... the Republicans are finally out of power and off in the wilderness .. but based on what we saw from them the last 8 years .. they don't belong in the wilderness .. they belong extinct... dangling from lightposts in the streets.

One day I hope to be able to tell my grandkids about what happened in this country in 2004.

After four years with an intellectually bankrupt chimpanzee and his morally bankrupt crook pals running the country. They actually won re-election by running on slogans such as 'four more wars' - 'unless you're corporate elite, you'll get nothing and like it!' - and who can forget 'kill a queer for Jesus.'

But hey, please spare me any rational reply and just hook a negro up with a..

"oh no u di'nt muhfukka ... you'd BEST not be disrespectin the dub-oh-you! .. the pimp datty W in chief!"

Yet another reply that disregards the subject to take shots at Bush.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yet another reply that disregards the subject to take shots at Bush.

Oh come on..Obama and Clinton are open season but the last 8 years and their leader...are off limits?? That's crazy Chuck

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Oh come on..Obama and Clinton are open season but the last 8 years and their leader...are off limits?? That's crazy Chuck

I never said that Bush was off limits. I just said that more often than not he is the main or only reply to a question or inquiry about Democrats or liberals. It is pretty consistent in this and other boards that most of the posters that dont agree with something that is said about democrats, liberals or their policies slam Bush as opposed to backing their reasoning why the original post was not correct.

here is a typical Q & A

Conservative - Obama's stimlus package is not goign to work because it is way more govt spending on social issues than it is on true economic stimlus.

Liberal - Yeah Bush sucks

Conservative - The "Fairness Doctrine" is an outdated piece of trash legistalion that is not only biased against one form of media, it is bad economic policy for the struggling radio industry.

Liberal - Bush is a war criminal and Cheney is the devil

Conservative - The housing 'bailout' is going to reward the people who least deserve the help and may wind up making the issues worse while wasting hundreds of billions of dollars.

Liberal - Bush and his greedy CEO buddies are criminals

[Danzig]

speaking of the 'fairness doctrine', i read again a couple days ago that obama is against it.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I never said that Bush was off limits. I just said that more often than not he is the main or only reply to a question or inquiry about Democrats or liberals. It is pretty consistent in this and other boards that most of the posters that dont agree with something that is said about democrats, liberals or their policies slam Bush as opposed to backing their reasoning why the original post was not correct.

here is a typical Q & A

Conservative - Obama's stimlus package is not goign to work because it is way more govt spending on social issues than it is on true economic stimlus.

Liberal - Yeah Bush sucks

Conservative - The "Fairness Doctrine" is an outdated piece of trash legistalion that is not only biased against one form of media, it is bad economic policy for the struggling radio industry.

Liberal - Bush is a war criminal and Cheney is the devil

Conservative - The housing 'bailout' is going to reward the people who least deserve the help and may wind up making the issues worse while wasting hundreds of billions of dollars.

Liberal - Bush and his greedy CEO buddies are criminals

it seems tho that both 'sides' engage in that type of supposed debate. too many folks are party first. anything their party does is a-ok, the other party is the spawn of the devil.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

speaking of the 'fairness doctrine', i read again a couple days ago that obama is against it.

It appears that the pressure will be brought to bear on the TV stations(by right of ownership)...The ole bait and switch.