Big Brown has Quarter Crack - Page 4

justindew · #61 05-25-2008, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Strategic Mission

You would have to know the deal to make those statements. IEAH might still own a big chunk of the horse after he retires. If he loses to Casino Drive, good luck getting $100K with Curlin, Casino Drive, Street Sense, Hard Spun, and a few others new to the market.

If this horse lost this race, combined with his soundness issues, he would be nothing special. People want to breed to a TC winner, not an unsound horse that couldn't even get through the TC.

AP Indy?

Fusaichi Pegasus?

#62 05-25-2008, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Northern Dancer sure didn't pass on his small size ...

I'm still not convinced about what can be passed along and what can't be. Northern Dancer can be seen in the pedigrees of close to 75% of racing thoroughbreds today. Seems pretty hit or miss to me, but I'm not a genetics expert.

A horse that has an anatomical issue
that is tied closely to cells constantly
in action producing new cells is not good.

And its like having a bad fingernail at the quick.
His hoof regenerates with fault lines, basically put.
The likelyhood of this being genetic is higher
simply because its not something far removed
from the genes.

Eye color is clearly genetic. It is a basic anatomical
developmental pigmentation issue. I think you would
agree that coat color is more closely
genetically linked than speed and endurance.
Quarter cracks have a much better chance of
being genetic for the same reason, just not as
closely linked as coat color.

Anyways. I just think that the value that was
placed on the horse is yet another illustration
of the frantic win thoroughbred market.

And Northern Dance is far removed. But when
this kind of thing shows up... And with all the care
taken when Dutrow took over. Insanity. But if
you got the bucks, you might get a big maiden
win in or maybe you get to the Derby with quarter
cracks.

King Glorious · #63 05-25-2008, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by justindew

AP Indy?

Fusaichi Pegasus?

AP Indy raced throughout the rest of the year and won the BC Classic at the end of it. FuPeg also raced through the end of the year, finishing in the BC Classic.

Cajungator26 · #64 05-25-2008, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Strategic Mission

You would have to know the deal to make those statements. IEAH might still own a big chunk of the horse after he retires. If he loses to Casino Drive, good luck getting $100K with Curlin, Casino Drive, Street Sense, Hard Spun, and a few others new to the market.

If this horse lost this race, combined with his soundness issues, he would be nothing special. People want to breed to a TC winner, not an unsound horse that couldn't even get through the TC.

What makes you so certain that people want to breed to a Mineshaft? Mineshaft has hardly been considered a success at stud so far.

#65 05-25-2008, 10:27 AM

This thread is going to be fantastic.

justindew · #66 05-25-2008, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

AP Indy raced throughout the rest of the year and won the BC Classic at the end of it. FuPeg also raced through the end of the year, finishing in the BC Classic.

Yeah, I probably should have read all the posts. My bad.

Carry on.

Strategic Mission · #67 05-25-2008, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

What makes you so certain that people want to breed to a Mineshaft? Mineshaft has hardly been considered a success at stud so far.

Mineshaft was #12 on the second crop list and has put two horses into the TC series this year.

Casino Drive has a pretty flawless pedigree with a mother that has produced 2 or maybe 3 consecutive belmont winners. He would have to turn out to be a great horse himself, but nobody would look at his pedigree and question it.

Cannon Shell · #68 05-25-2008, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Thanks ... I was seriously asking because I didn't know. How often do you see quarter cracks in thoroughbreds nowadays, Chuck? Would you say it's more common or is Big Brown in the minority of the breed for having these sorts of hoof problems?

Quarter cracks mostly are due to conformation and the horse not striking the ground evenly. A horse with weak feet would be even more prone to get them which seems to be the case with BB. I dont think we see them any more or less in the last 20 or so years. We do have much better ways to deal with them though. I dont think it or feet has anything to do with him running down in the Preakness. That is probably also confirmational, he does seem to have pasterns that are a touch long.

Cannon Shell · #69 05-25-2008, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Strategic Mission

You would have to know the deal to make those statements. IEAH might still own a big chunk of the horse after he retires. If he loses to Casino Drive, good luck getting $100K with Curlin, Casino Drive, Street Sense, Hard Spun, and a few others new to the market.

If this horse lost this race, combined with his soundness issues, he would be nothing special. People want to breed to a TC winner, not an unsound horse that couldn't even get through the TC.

Thanks Mr. Tesio

Cannon Shell · #70 05-25-2008, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

What makes you so certain that people want to breed to a Mineshaft? Mineshaft has hardly been considered a success at stud so far.

Mineshaft also had bad feet, btw.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #71 05-25-2008, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Strategic Mission

You would have to know the deal to make those statements. IEAH might still own a big chunk of the horse after he retires. If he loses to Casino Drive, good luck getting $100K with Curlin, Casino Drive, Street Sense, Hard Spun, and a few others new to the market.

If this horse lost this race, combined with his soundness issues, he would be nothing special. People want to breed to a TC winner, not an unsound horse that couldn't even get through the TC.

id take bb over a hard spun baby

Danzig · #72 05-25-2008, 10:35 AM

so, he didn't run down due to quarter cracks, but his conformation issues are the probable cause for both the cracks and the running down...thanks for answering.

Cannon Shell · #73 05-25-2008, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

so, he didn't run down due to quarter cracks, but his conformation issues are the probable cause for both the cracks and the running down...thanks for answering.

conformation is the cause for most of the negative things in race horses

#74 05-25-2008, 10:43 AM

Danzig is hating on BB like I am with Denis of Cork.

cowgirlintexas · #75 05-25-2008, 10:45 AM

In other Belmont news:

Trainer Richard Dutrow Jr. will meet with the media on Sunday at 11 a.m. (EDT) in Barn 2 to discuss Big Brown's bid to become the 12th Triple Crown winner in the Belmont.

Anyone heard anything yet?

Danzig · #76 05-25-2008, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Danzig is hating on BB like I am with Denis of Cork.

not quite there yet man. i know how much you hate de...oh wait, i know even seeing the name ramps up your blood pressure...i know you detest he who shall not be named.

Danzig · #77 05-25-2008, 10:46 AM

so, what's the limit on starters in the belmont?

#78 05-25-2008, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

conformation is the cause for most of the negative things in race horses

I have been told that bad conformation magnifies weaknesses
that are already there... yes or no?

hoovesupsideyourhead · #79 05-25-2008, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

I have been told that bad conformation magnifies weaknesses
that are already there... yes or nada?

only on a computer

johnny pinwheel · #80 05-25-2008, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Strategic Mission

Yeah. We see horses come over from Japan and win grade 2's at Belmont in their second start all the time. Especially off just 1 workout. Why not factor in the horse's mother has produced the winner of the last 2 belmonts and his father was the HOY that destroyed everything he faced at Belmont.

You want to mention how Casino Drive also threw up a faster beyer in the race than Big Brown threw up in the Preakness.

Big Brown might win, but if he isn't 100% he has absolutely no chance of beating a horse like Casino Drive.

don't even bother arguing with . "this horse could beat this bunch on 2 legs" people. the best is when i'm at the track and some idiot says "this horse can't lose". i always feel like saying how many horse races have you seen and bet ? and sometimes its guys that have been going to the track forever. any horse can lose any race thats why they run them to begin with. whenever i here that crap on a short price horse it tells me to bet more on who i like. big brown with the injury plus a mile and a half will be in deep water. i would not even count out tale of ekati or dennis of cork . let the "this horse can't lose people " cash their $3.00 or less mutuel.