6/7 (BEL): 140th Belmont Stakes

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

....but did he look fast?

I've never been a big fan but someone told me he had a big trip in the Derby. I'll have to watch it again.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I've never been a big fan but someone told me he had a big trip in the Derby. I'll have to watch it again.

It wasn't the fat man was it?

Now you have my curiosity up and I'm going to have to give the Derby another look.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

It wasn't the fat man was it?

Now you have my curiosity up and I'm going to have to give the Derby another look.

Anak Nakal could've been airlifted to the finish line and he still would've lost. I don't give horses who were hopelessly overmatched much credit for bad trip sevenths.

"ANAK NAKAL outrun four wide, advanced seven wide after seven furlongs and improved his position while no real threat."

Pretty much his comment line for every race.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Anak Nakal could've been airlifted to the finish line and he still would've lost. I don't give horses who were hopelessly overmatched much credit for bad trip sevenths.

"ANAK NAKAL outrun four wide, advanced seven wide after seven furlongs and improved his position while no real threat."

Pretty much his comment line for every race.

A trip is a trip....whether the horse is hopeless or not. All a trip shows is that a horse ran better ( or worse ) than it looks on paper.

Take the time from your oh-so-busy life, it's between periods of the hoop game, and actually watch the phucking race. Who knows, you might learn something.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

A trip is a trip....whether the horse is hopeless or not. All a trip shows is that a horse ran better ( or worse ) than it looks on paper.

Take the time from your oh-so-busy life, it's between periods of the hoop game, and actually watch the phucking race. Who knows, you might learn something.

It's Anak Nakal. I've watched the race and I didn't notice any trouble. He wasn't going to run much better than he did. He runs the same race every time. Avoid the pace and pass some tired horses to finish a non-threatening fourth or fifth or seventh.

[blackthroatedwind]

Not sure what my friend was talking about. He was carried out into the lane but he seemed to have a seemless trip otherwise and was just too slow.

I hope he does well, obviously, but I don't see it.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

It's Anak Nakal. I've watched the race and I didn't notice any trouble. He wasn't going to run much better than he did. He runs the same race every time. Avoid the pace and pass some tired horses to finish a non-threatening fourth or fifth or seventh.

I wish I didn't have anything to learn about the game.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I wish I didn't have anything to learn about the game.

Because I know Anak Nakal sucks and that he didn't have a bad trip, that means I think that I have nothing to learn? You just said yourself there was nothing wrong with his trip, what's the problem with me saying it?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Because I know Anak Nakal sucks and that he didn't have a bad trip, that means I think that I have nothing to learn? You just said yourself there was nothing wrong with his trip, what's the problem with me saying it?

Because I watched it carefully....and you quoted the chart ( not a great idea in general ).

One of my basic tenets of handicapping is to leave no available stone unturned. I do the work. A lot of it is drudgery, no doubt, but you have to find things out for yourself. It's often irrelevent for that specific instance but it can be very helpful for another situation.

It's really a question of how much you want to learn. I understand, I'm obsessive, and this is my life, but because of that I'm not going to be tolerant in a conversation about specifics with someone who isn't willing to even get on the playing field.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Because I watched it carefully....and you quoted the chart ( not a great idea in general ).

One of my basic tenets of handicapping is to leave no available stone unturned. I do the work. A lot of it is drudgery, no doubt, but you have to find things out for yourself. It's often irrelevent for that specific instance but it can be very helpful for another situation.

It's really a question of how much you want to learn. I understand, I'm obsessive, and this is my life, but because of that I'm not going to be tolerant in a conversation about specifics with someone who isn't willing to even get on the playing field.

I quoted the chart because I've watched the race a million times and I'm not going to spend five minutes dissecting the flawless trip of a crappy horse who finished seventh in the Derby and has no shot in the Belmont.

Where did I say "Here's what the chart says, so I don't need to watch the race"?

[blackthroatedwind]

You're sticking your heels in instead of listening to what I'm saying.

It's not really about Anak Nakal.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You're sticking your heels in instead of listening to what I'm saying.

It's not really about Anak Nakal.

In this case, it is. I go back and watch replays all the time, as much as you like to assume I don't.

[XIIPointStables]

Maybe I'll try and change the subject....

Dick Jerardi's column talks about the "light" Beyer for BB's Preakness. He mentioned that BB was eased in the throttle late by Kent.

But then to quote..."Would the colt have run faster if Desormeaux asked? Possibly. But the numbers are the numbers. If you believe, you believe. [in the numbers].

Possibly??? The horse is clearly geared down - aggressively even. Is he trying to tell us that we should take the 100 at its face? It could have been much higher right? Am I crazy in thinking this?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by XIIPointStables

Maybe I'll try and change the subject....

Dick Jerardi's column talks about the "light" Beyer for BB's Preakness. He mentioned that BB was eased in the throttle late by Kent.

But then to quote..."Would the colt have run faster if Desormeaux asked? Possibly. But the numbers are the numbers. If you believe, you believe. [in the numbers].

Possibly??? The horse is clearly geared down - aggressively even. Is he trying to tell us that we should take the 100 at its face? It could have been much higher right? Am I crazy in thinking this?

I don't agree with this at all. I watched the Preakness again just yesterday and Kent shook him up pretty hard into the lane and only geared him down very late. I sincerely doubt he slowed him down much at all.

Originally Posted by XIIPointStables

Maybe I'll try and change the subject....

Dick Jerardi's column talks about the "light" Beyer for BB's Preakness. He mentioned that BB was eased in the throttle late by Kent.

But then to quote..."Would the colt have run faster if Desormeaux asked? Possibly. But the numbers are the numbers. If you believe, you believe. [in the numbers].

Possibly??? The horse is clearly geared down - aggressively even. Is he trying to tell us that we should take the 100 at its face? It could have been much higher right? Am I crazy in thinking this?

But he was so boxed in...
Unfairly.
It really Edgar's fault.

[Bobby Fischer]

some "BS" from BF
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Anak Nakal... Sure seems to lack the talent... would need pace AND distance to be a BIG factor in his favor for top 3 finish. ... possible

-Derby Trip ... no real reason to watch AN's again (because he is a known quantity with like 95% chance that he didn't show a newfound talent) However = will have to watch it before the belmont

- Big Brown \ gearing down


The time that Big Brown may or may not have lost occured on the backstretch. Not the stretch. If Kent would have asked him right out of the 1st turn, and tried to win by 25 lengths --> then you see whether or not Big Brown could have run significantly faster.

gearing down late in the stretch does little for final time.

[Mike]

Anyone got the sire and dam lineage for Da Tara? Are Deputy Minister or Mr Prospector in the first two generations on either side?

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Mike

Anyone got the sire and dam lineage for Da Tara? Are Deputy Minister or Mr Prospector in the first two generations on either side?

Nope: http://www.pedigreequery.com/da+tara

Not that I know the significance of that. . .

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Not sure what my friend was talking about. He was carried out into the lane but he seemed to have a seemless trip otherwise and was just too slow.

I hope he does well, obviously, but I don't see it.

It's tough to follow since he's off the screen most of the race but I didn't see anything of note either, other than being somewhat wide late. Looked like he ran his normal plodding race.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him hit the board in the Belmont, however, reminds me a lot of a couple other Zito runners that have recently, Royal Assault and Andromeda's Hero, that just grind, grind, grind.

[Merlinsky]

What's going down with Spark Candle? Are they going to wait til the last minute?