Chosen One 4 MVP Fans

Originally Posted by Avery_Smartman

Sure.


Play with the sissies then.I suppose you're another one who claims James beat Detroit one on five,but his crummy team mates are the ones who lost to San Antonio.

Of course not.
San Antonio played defense
that completely revolved around
James inaccuracy as a shooter.

They relied on his penchant of
going full bore to the hole with a
head of steam. They would not let him
do that.

Morton you have got to see this guy
is an unbelievably talented athlete.
I have been watching basketball a long
time and have never seen anyone with
his size and strength have the incredible
mobility he has with the ball.

Also too many teams and too many
games imo Kev. 82 games is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Of course not.
San Antonio played defense
that completely revolved around
James inaccuracy as a shooter.

They relied on his penchant of
going full bore to the hole with a
head of steam. They would not let him
do that.

Morton you have got to see this guy
is an unbelievably talented athlete.
I have been watching basketball a long
time and have never seen anyone with
his size and strength have the incredible
mobility he has with the ball.

Well I hope horseoffcourse and Whothefucl<areThey are listening..........and I have said countless times he's a great athlete,but a very overrated player.


Thank you for mentioning what team play can do.

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Oh...they lost again. The King had 7 turnovers and was 1 of 6 from the 3 line. I thought they weren't supposed to lose if he plays?


That's 0-2 without Z ,but with Lee.

[horseofcourse]

I give up Avery!! You were right on point tonight once again!! LeBron will have the best poker hand in the NBA tonight however. 7 rebounds...7 assists...7 attempted 3 pointers...7 TURNOVERS!! Down 96-94 13 seconds left...offensive foul....down 101-99 6 seconds left...missed 3 pointer.

As much as I attempt...you are still the master.

(he did make all his foul shots in the 4th quarter tonight!!)

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Avery_Smartman

Oh...they lost again. The King had 7 turnovers and was 1 of 6 from the 3 line. I thought they weren't supposed to lose if he plays?


That's 0-2 without Z ,but with Lee.

Actually the are now 4-3 without Z and with Lee. minor details though.

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Good.


But still 0-2 over the last 2.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Avery_Smartman

Sure.


Play with the sissies then.I suppose you're another one who claims James beat Detroit one on five,but his crummy team mates are the ones who lost to San Antonio.

I have never said this ever. Why do you always go to this? The simple facts are in this NBA season, they have missed, LeBron, Hughes, Pavlovic, Gibson, Z, Varejao for longer than 5 game periods at a time. Over 20 without Varejao and Pavlovic...approaching that with Gibson. 7 now without Z. My claim has always been that with these what I consider decent players. Not great players...not necessarily top players...although Z is certainly good, that the Cavs will win. They played above .500 ball in the recent stretch with Varejao and Pavlovic missing....above .500 with Gibson missing...now above .500 with Z missing. They went 0-6 with LeBron missing. The evidence is quite overwhelming. They are still 37-23 when LeBron suits up regardless of whom else is injured on any particular day. No matter how bad or good I or you or anyone else thinks the rest of the players on the team are...you still need the best of what you have to compete adequately. I simply think that their record when LeBron plays speaks to how good he is. And despite his late game slip ups the last two nights...especially tonight which may have cost them the game...he has had multiple superb performances in the 4th quarter time and time again this year. I go back to the back to backs in LA and Portland in January.

You have brought out his weaknesses as has pga time and time again. I grant you guys that. Maybe he is overrated. I simply don't think so. The Cleveland Cavaliers are one of the worst franchises in all of the league if you take away the 1976 season and the teams of the late 80s and early 90s...for the most part a horrendous franchise. I don't know how you can think despite your own personal disdain for the man and how he plays and his horrible efforts...how despite all that you can't say he hasn't been a boon to the franchise. for christ sakes they have 4 playoff series wins the last 2 years...the same number they had from 1970 through 2005. Forget just a second all the high school hype...the ESPN games in high school the magazine covers...all of that. What has happened to the franchise since he joined the team?? Yes, he has teammates and they are needed...but do you in all honesty think if the ping pong balls didn't go their way, they are in the finals last year?? As a fan I don't really care about his ego, about his money, about anything really. all humans make mistakes...he drives too fast, he wore a Yankee cap...dumb stuff. But for the most part he has made the Cleveland NBA team relevant if not single-handedly...darn near close to that. Those are the facts as I see them.

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I have always said this:




He is OVERRATED....he is not the best player in the league....people down play the players he has had around him because they need to play him up....and ,of course, he loves that.

I don't like him ...I wish he wasn't here and I don't give a flying fucl< about what anyone thinks of it. I wish he was not here.I think a trade would bring a better team here.

It's basketball.....it's not civil defense.

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This im just in better not piss me off.

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OK...it didn't.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Avery_Smartman

I have always said this:




He is OVERRATED....he is not the best player in the league....people down play the players he has had around him because they need to play him up....and ,of course, he loves that.

I don't like him ...I wish he wasn't here and I don't give a flying fucl< about what anyone thinks of it. I wish he was not here.I think a trade would bring a better team here.

It's basketball.....it's not civil defense.

You have yet to explain that despite missing a truck load of his complimetary players almost every game this year how the team's record is 37-23 when he plays?? That is not bad at all.

So do you really think they'd be a better team with Chirs Bosh, or Carmelo Anthony or Dwayne Wade instead of him??

Name the players you would trade him for straight up 1 for 1 deal just out of curiosity.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Avery_Smartman

I have always said this:




He is OVERRATED....he is not the best player in the league....people down play the players he has had around him because they need to play him up....and ,of course, he loves that.

I don't like him ...I wish he wasn't here and I don't give a flying fucl< about what anyone thinks of it. I wish he was not here.I think a trade would bring a better team here.

It's basketball.....it's not civil defense.

And you started this thread expecting no replies to the contrary?? Interesting. It would certainly seem to me you do give a flying fucl what people think about it or you would never talk about it. You are very interested in people knowing you have strong opinions contrary to the majority on this topic as you saw great need to start this thread with the same statements by all participiants as the last 15 times it evolved.

LeBron is OVERRATED...yes.

I still think this thread should now turn to someone very UNDERRATED...that would be...


Jhonny Peralta. I'm looking for big things in 2008!!

[horseofcourse]

We are taylor made for internet boards Avery!...LeBron is my favorite Cav and Peralta is my favorite Indian. It's sure fire entertainment each and every time!!


(I'm not sure why your dislike of Honny. He has always seemed to me to be one of the least self-absorbed people ever to walk on the planet. Has he ever even spoken words?? He would seem to be right up your alley! C'mon you had to tear up when he took Schillling deep for 3 runs in game 2 to turn the whole ALCS around for a good while til Beckett pitched again!!)

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse

You have yet to explain that despite missing a truck load of his complimetary players almost every game this year how the team's record is 37-23 when he plays?? That is not bad at all.

So do you really think they'd be a better team with Chirs Bosh, or Carmelo Anthony or Dwayne Wade instead of him??

Name the players you would trade him for straight up 1 for 1 deal just out of curiosity.

You will have to note the other players who also made up that 37-23...you will also have to note how many teams he could go to who would never be that good. The Cavs are not made up of junk players.

Believe me....I'd rather have James than that clown Anthony.


I wouldn't go after a superstar in a one for one...I would go after good team players who want to win and know how.

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse

And you started this thread expecting no replies to the contrary?? Interesting. It would certainly seem to me you do give a flying fucl what people think about it or you would never talk about it. You are very interested in people knowing you have strong opinions contrary to the majority on this topic as you saw great need to start this thread with the same statements by all participiants as the last 15 times it evolved.

LeBron is OVERRATED...yes.

I still think this thread should now turn to someone very UNDERRATED...that would be...


Jhonny Peralta. I'm looking for big things in 2008!!

BLECH

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse

We are taylor made for internet boards Avery!...LeBron is my favorite Cav and Peralta is my favorite Indian. It's sure fire entertainment each and every time!!


(I'm not sure why your dislike of Honny. He has always seemed to me to be one of the least self-absorbed people ever to walk on the planet. Has he ever even spoken words?? He would seem to be right up your alley! C'mon you had to tear up when he took Schillling deep for 3 runs in game 2 to turn the whole ALCS around for a good while til Beckett pitched again!!)

I wish he were better...he's a nice guy. I don't dislike him on that level. I'm just very frustrated they have a gold glove ss they stick at second base because of their fascination with Here'sJhonny. They Indians thinking on 2nd,3rd and ss is going to mess them up for several years...starting this year.The royally mess up 2nd by dumping Phillips and continue to mess up by trading a good 3rd baseman for a 2nd baseman who should be at 2nd ,but will be in the minors and they are going to stick that stiff Marte on the team because they invested too much and can't afford to cut him loose...but they should. They're just dumb.



Crazy.

[notyep59]

let's see.....egotistical, arrogant, self absorbed, over rated azzhole.....avery is the chosen one!!

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Originally Posted by notyep59

let's see.....egotistical, arrogant, self absorbed, over rated azzhole.....avery is the chosen one!!

Fucl< you nitwit.

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Originally Posted by whodey17

People like you are the problem. People who do no understand the NBA game. People like you that do not understand the maturation process of a NBA player. Funny how you say that there are more players on the court when the Cavs win but only James is on the court when they lose. You cant have it both ways kiddo.

You are an A#1 FUCl<HEAD and King joint sucker.

You were the one who said James singlehandedly beat Detroit in the conference finals last year. I have only said if he did that then how come no one ever says he lost to SA singlehandedly.I have only said it's a team game .



You're such a fucl<in' doorknob and pain in the azz.