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Sightseek · #61 10-03-2007, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by pgiaco

She can be a little "ambitious" with her placings.

There is ambitious and downright stupid. I'm sorry, but what can a horse possibly be getting out of being raced over it's head? She was darn lucky that Teuf came back the way he did after he 'hit the wall' in the Derby, other horses have never been the same.

pgiaco · #62 10-03-2007, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

There is ambitious and downright stupid. I'm sorry, but what can a horse possibly be getting out of being raced over it's head? She was darn lucky that Teuf came back the way he did after he 'hit the wall' in the Derby, other horses have never been the same.

She certainly is not the first trainer to put a horse in the Derby that didn't belong...You could argue that she's done a good job getting him back to win the Woody Stephens and place in the Carry Back after the Derby where many others have gone down the crapper.

ArlJim78 · #63 10-03-2007, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by pgiaco

She can be a little "ambitious" with her placings.

what an understatement. take for example in the first race at Keeneland on Friday. She's running Furlong Baby, a horse that has run against straight maidens four times at CD, Bel, and Saratoga. The horse has never been a factor at any point in those races. the finish beaten lengths are 15, 20, 15, 28. So Friday she goes long against straight maidens at Keeneland? the result will be the same, a double digit defeat. i know nothing about training a horse, but you don't have to be a Charlie Whittingham to see that she continuously runs her horses in spots where they can't win.

pgiaco · #64 10-03-2007, 10:04 AM

I can't argue that the winning percentage is dreadful. I just think she gets beaten up more than the average trainer, especially one with as little experience as she has.

ArlJim78 · #65 10-03-2007, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by pgiaco

I can't argue that the winning percentage is dreadful. I just think she gets beaten up more than the average trainer, especially one with as little experience as she has.

she has got some decent horses and has sent out 229 starters this year. its not like she is some start-up trainer working with a limited number of hand-me-downs.
her stats are called into question because they are not anywhere near average and it stands out. I don't consider that beating up on her its merely pointing out her record.
i see that she owns Furlong Baby so at least she answers only to herself for the performance. but if i'm an owner sending her horses you better believe i'd be asking some questions.

pgiaco · #66 10-03-2007, 12:53 PM

I happen to know that one of her "decent" horses is a horse that I couldn't give away as a weanling or as a yearling. He's managed to get a check in 5 of his 7 starts in open and NYB company and has been pretty close to some good horses. So from my frame of reference she does pretty well.

Linny · #67 10-03-2007, 01:57 PM

She has an ownership interest in Teuf as well. She has managed to make some money with some pretty low quality stock but caught lightning in a jar with Teuflesberg.

MISTERGEE · #68 10-03-2007, 02:30 PM

speaking of placements where the hell is naseem rauf?

ArlJim78 · #69 10-03-2007, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

We read so much about how a key training component is knowing where to spot horses to give them a chance to win that I find it refreshing for someone to go against the grain.

it makes my handicapping a little easier thats for sure.

sumitas · #70 10-03-2007, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by pgiaco

I happen to know that one of her "decent" horses is a horse that I couldn't give away as a weanling or as a yearling. He's managed to get a check in 5 of his 7 starts in open and NYB company and has been pretty close to some good horses. So from my frame of reference she does pretty well.

I saw the last race with juvi Sanoran Desert at Turfway. It was a speed biased surface but SD was only a few lengths off the leaders at the wire. I thought he ran well.

Danzig · #71 10-04-2007, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

it makes my handicapping a little easier thats for sure.

i drew a line right thru one of hers at arlington...once you figure that one for last, the super was almost easy. didn't pay much tho, i guess everyone has the toss the sanders angle down.

Danzig · #72 10-04-2007, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by pgiaco

I happen to know that one of her "decent" horses is a horse that I couldn't give away as a weanling or as a yearling. He's managed to get a check in 5 of his 7 starts in open and NYB company and has been pretty close to some good horses. So from my frame of reference she does pretty well.

you must have a very liberal frame of reference.

letswastemoney · #73 10-05-2007, 01:51 AM

http://apps.keeneland.com/sales/nov07/pdfs/590.pdf

Bigsmc · #74 10-05-2007, 03:36 AM

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17100

Hickory Hill Hoff · #75 10-05-2007, 06:11 AM

He's entered in the Phoenix at Keeneland on Saturday.....
an historic last start for D.T.'s favorite trainer???

sumitas · #76 10-05-2007, 03:09 PM

i hope Tberg wins it. this $9k yearling is one of the most popular horses on this board.