For The Record - Page 4

Samarta · #61 05-12-2007, 08:28 AM

see I think Street Sense is the horse that's gonna get pounded at the window and the very thing that has made Bo-rail somewhat of a folk hero since the BC will be his downfall in the Preakness......I think he will get caught up in the deep track that is Pimilico and Borel will spin his wheels on the rail...Maybe I'm wrong who knows...I don't know what to think about Curlin or Hard Spun yet...will have to wait until late next week....one thing I do know is hopefully Tuefelsberg survives and his connections stop chasing the triple crown limelight and $$$ and rest him, then bring him back as a mile where he belongs....such a good looking horse....

justindew · #62 05-12-2007, 08:32 AM

I disagree with a lot of what Beyer writes, and I'm not a huge fan of Beyer Speed Figures. But he definitely has my dream job. No doubt about that.

blackthroatedwind · #63 05-12-2007, 08:34 AM

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I disagree with a lot of what Beyer writes, and I'm not a huge fan of Beyer Speed Figures. But he definitely has my dream job. No doubt about that.

Mine too....he's retired.

justindew · #64 05-12-2007, 08:34 AM

semi-retired.

blackthroatedwind · #65 05-12-2007, 08:38 AM

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I disagree with a lot of what Beyer writes, and I'm not a huge fan of Beyer Speed Figures. But he definitely has my dream job. No doubt about that.

If he read your stuff he would probably disagree with you.

justindew · #66 05-12-2007, 08:54 AM

Yeah, well, my dad can beat up your dad.

blackthroatedwind · #67 05-12-2007, 08:55 AM

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Yeah, well, my dad can beat up your dad.

Especially while mine's currently on chemotherapy.

philcski · #68 05-14-2007, 09:32 AM

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Especially while mine's currently on chemotherapy.

Don't know if you were joking or not on this one, but if you weren't, you have my best wishes.

My mom survived chemo and cancer 5 years ago and I'm happy to say she's in better condition than she was 10 years ago.

VOL JACK · #69 05-14-2007, 10:07 AM

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Especially while mine's currently on chemotherapy.

Andy, My thoughts and prayers are with your family!

On a much less serious note, who is going to be your guest on this weeks youbet show?

The Indomitable DrugS · #70 05-14-2007, 10:09 AM

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Every year, there is a horse (or two) who runs a great race in defeat in the Derby. That horse then gets heavily-bet in the Preakness, but loses again. Just to name a few:

Cavonnier
Prince of Thieves
Congaree
Medaglia D' Oro
Peace Rules
Lion Heart
Closing Argument
Sweetnorthernsaint

I don't believe a single horse on here was the post time favorite in the Preakness. Although, the noticibly absent Afleet Alex was in fact the Preakness favorite off of his Derby loss.

Other than remember hearing that Cavonnier get impeaded by a football that someone in the Preakness infield threw on the track..I don't remember much about his Preakness race.

Prince of Thieves was still elidgible for an N2X allowance coming into the Preakness...in fact, he retired with two career wins. The press played up how Imawildandcrazyguy was originally named Cupcake Melee---well, Derby starter Sam P. was originally named Prince of Thieves.

Congaree ran very well in the Derby--that can't be disputed. Though, he also shouldn't be faulted for running 3rd to powerhouse stablemate Point Given, after some pretty mild early trouble.

Medeglia D' Oro was soundly beaten but had very serious trouble in the Derby and Peace Rules ran OK I guess. Both were Bobby Frankel trained horses who ran subpar...many Frankel cynics credit the Pimlico stakes barn for the two non-efforts in the Preakness.

Lion Heart was clearly inferior to Smarty Jones..but yeah, he made a worse account of himself in the Preakness.

Closing Argument was the longest shot on the board in the 20 horse Derby field (I believe even a bigger price than Bandini's rabbit Spanish Chestnut) He didn't run as well in defeat as Afleet Alex did...who was caught down twoards the unfavorable rail path at a key spot in the race.

Sweetnorthernsaint had big trouble in the Derby, but he finished in mid-pack and was beaten double digits. He ran 2nd in the Preakness inspite of grabbing a quarter at the break.

justindew · #71 05-14-2007, 10:22 AM

I never said any of those horses were favored in the Preakness. I said that they all received support in the Preakness based on their Derby efforts, and did not win. Some may have run OK, but by and large, I would say most of them ran worse than expected at Pimlico.

slotdirt · #72 05-14-2007, 10:26 AM

Sweetnorthernsaint finished a solid second to Bernardini. He didn't disappoint to me.

Cajungator26 · #73 05-14-2007, 10:27 AM

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Sweetnorthernsaint finished a solid second to Bernardini. He didn't disappoint to me.

Me either, although I wouldn't call his second to Bernie "solid." He was so exhausted, he literally staggered down the stretch.

The Indomitable DrugS · #74 05-14-2007, 10:31 AM

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I never said any of those horses were favored in the Preakness. I said that they all received support in the Preakness based on their Derby efforts, and did not win. Some may have run OK, but by and large, I would say most of them ran worse than expected at Pimlico.

And that's fine....

As someone who is going to bet against SS with HS or Curlin....I just hope you're not making a real short term and flimsy trend as the main basis for your opinion that both might be bad bets.

The Indomitable DrugS · #75 05-14-2007, 10:32 AM

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Me either, although I wouldn't call his second to Bernie "solid." He was so exhausted, he literally staggered down the stretch.

He grabbed a quarter at the start...he had every right to run that way through the lane.

Cajungator26 · #76 05-14-2007, 10:36 AM

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He grabbed a quarter at the start...he had every right to run that way through the lane.

I never said he had no good reason to run that way down the lane, but he DID. I watched the race as well (unfortunately.) I'm not knocking Saint... like the horse a lot, actually.

justindew · #77 05-14-2007, 10:40 AM

I think Hard Spun fits this "trend" better than Curlin, although my gut tells me that Curlin needs a few days off.

Cajungator26 · #78 05-14-2007, 10:44 AM

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I think Hard Spun fits this "trend" better than Curlin, although my gut tells me that Curlin needs a few days off.

I agree that the Derby may have taken a bit too much out of Hard Spun... jury is out on Curlin, though. I think that he's the logical horse in the Preakness to beat Street Sense if it's going to be done.

blackthroatedwind · #79 05-14-2007, 10:57 AM

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Andy, My thoughts and prayers are with your family!

On a much less serious note, who is going to be your guest on this weeks youbet show?

I was foolish to say that about my personal life but thanks.

Brad Thomas is going to be this week's guest and I'm realling looking forward to doing the show with him.

philcski · #80 05-14-2007, 11:06 AM

Brad Thomas is great, one of the best public handicappers out there. Knows NJ racing inside and out. I take it that'll be your focus in that section...