Tiger Woods seriously injured

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by GPK

I was on the Titleist launch moniter once and I was around 145 mph on average and a couple got to 150.

what was annika's ball speed ?

[GPK]

Originally Posted by gales0678

what was annika's ball speed ?

I have no idea. When you hit it that damn straight, it doesn't matter a great deal.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by GPK

I have no idea. When you hit it that damn straight, it doesn't matter a great deal.

if tiger could hit fairways he would win every week , i think he would win just about everything

if jack could have chipped a little better and pitch the ball a little better he would have won more two - watson and trevino beat him in majors because they had better short games

everyone talks about norman being chipped in on , but trevino did it to jack in the british open and watson did it to jack in the us open

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by GPK

He doesn't need to because technology allows him to still hit it pretty far without swinging so hard. You know as well as I do, if he NEEDS to hit it that far, he can. The stat that impresses me the most about Tiger is his ball speed. 190mph+ coming off the clubface...thats absurd Marty.

Do you think anything else goes into that stat other than clubhead speed and technology? Just curious. . .

[GPK]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Do you think anything else goes into that stat other than clubhead speed and technology? Just curious. . .

Not really. I mean, every club company is taking advantage of all the max limits that the USGA has set, .830 COR being the main factor. 460CC clubheads maybe play a small part. 5900 MOI isn't playing much part in ball speed (that is more for less twisting of the clubhead at impact). People were raving when the 07 Taylor Made Burner came out about how far they were hitting it...well no ****, its anywhere from 3/4"-1" longer in the shaft than most drivers that people were hitting and that equates to greater clubhead speed, hence more distance.

The golf ball plays the biggest part in the distance explosion. Lighter, more consistent shafts help as well, but mainly the ball.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GPK

Not really. I mean, every club company is taking advantage of all the max limits that the USGA has set, .830 COR being the main factor. 460CC clubheads maybe play a small part. 5900 MOI isn't playing much part in ball speed (that is more for less twisting of the clubhead at impact). People were raving when the 07 Taylor Made Burner came out about how far they were hitting it...well no ****, its anywhere from 3/4"-1" longer in the shaft than most drivers that people were hitting and that equates to greater clubhead speed, hence more distance.

The golf ball plays the biggest part in the distance explosion. Lighter, more consistent shafts help as well, but mainly the ball.

I know the technology has improved but do you personally hit the ball 20 yards longer now than you did in 1997?

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I know the technology has improved but do you personally hit the ball 20 yards longer now than you did in 1997?

Not a chance

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by GPK

Not a chance

and neither does tiger

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GPK

Not a chance

Antitrust32 says that guys who are 55 years old are hitting the ball 20 yards further than they when they were 40 due to the new equipment. I have heard other golfers make similar comments. I can't belive that the new equipment of the last 10-15 years has added that much distance.

If you had to guess for a good player such as yourself, how much further do you hit it today compared to 10-15 years ago. Have you gained 5 yards or so? That would seem more reasonable to me.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Antitrust32 says that guys who are 55 years old are hitting the ball 20 yards further than they when they were 40 due to the new equipment. I have heard other golfers make similar comments. I can't belive that the new equipment of the last 10-15 years has added that much distance.

If you had to guess for a good player such as yourself, how much further do you hit it today compared to 10-15 years ago. Have you gained 5 yards or so? That would seem more reasonable to me.

I think the advanced technology has helped the professionals of the game much more than your average golfer. Guys like Kenny Perry and others of the same mold are more apt to notice a huge difference in distance. Your average Joe Golfer sucks way too bad to notice much difference in a regulat basis. They will have a good round every now and then, but for the most part, their swings are way too inconsistent to take advantage of the technology today. Classic example is the R9 driver with the MWT and adjustable clubhead. Peoples swings on average suck way too much to spend that kind of money. Your really good players with consisent swings can go from hitting a slight fade to a slight draw. But your 18 handicap hits a bunch of slices, pulls, tops etc in the course of one round to move the clubhead and weights to a given position and expect great results.

Its useless to gauge my lack of increase in distance, as I now use a 10 degree loft driver vs an 8.5 degree driver I used to hit. I played with such a low loft driver because I lived at the beach and played in the wind constantly, so it was needed for me to keep my ball flight down. I hit it much straighter and consistent than I did back 10-15 years ago. Some of that is new technology, a lot of it is more knowledge of my swing. I'm probably on average 10 yards longer than I was then, but its the accuracy that has made the biggest difference for me. My short game sucks now. I used to be able to get up and down from anywhere. Now that I hit it straighter, I hit more greens, so I quit practicing my short game.

[hockey2315]

I'm surprised you said that technology has helped the better players more than the weaker ones. I would think it would be the opposite. Most new technologies in golf nowadays are geared towards added forgiveness, higher MOI, etc. which obviously benefit the weaker players who have more trouble hitting the ball cleanly. Most pros still use blades because they'd rather have workability/versatility/feedback and they don't have issues with contact. I read something recently in one of the golf magazines where someone said the new groove rule will simply make the gap between the top few and the rest of the pros greater because it'll put more emphasis on skill and less on technology.

I guess balls are an area where extra technology is more important to pros. Most amateurs just aren't good enough to take advantage of or feel the difference between a Pro V1 or Z-Star and a Top Flite.

[gales0678]

if every one remembers right when tiger first came out he was the longest on tour save john daly and 1 other guy

then the new tech came out , 460cc's , new balls and all of a sudden guys that tiger was banging it bye now all of a sudden were out driving tiger

eventually tiger made the switch to the big driver as well

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

You make good points. I bet you are right that the average drive length has increased during that period.

I'm the only guy that the new equipment hasn't helped. When I was 20 years old, I was a 3 handicap and I weighed about 123 pounds. I had Hogan blade irons and a wood driver. I hit the ball further then than I do now even though I'm stronger now. And I was 10x more accurate with my blade irons than with the fancy new irons. The problem is that I lost my swing and I've never been able to get it back. I couldn't even break 80 right now.

Yeah the swing has a big part to do with it

My Father is 55 now and driving the ball the furthest of his life... and he wouldnt trade in his newer clubs for the old ones thats for sure!

[GPK]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I'm surprised you said that technology has helped the better players more than the weaker ones. I would think it would be the opposite. Most new technologies in golf nowadays are geared towards added forgiveness, higher MOI, etc. which obviously benefit the weaker players who have more trouble hitting the ball cleanly. Most pros still use blades because they'd rather have workability/versatility/feedback and they don't have issues with contact. I read something recently in one of the golf magazines where someone said the new groove rule will simply make the gap between the top few and the rest of the pros greater because it'll put more emphasis on skill and less on technology.

I guess balls are an area where extra technology is more important to pros. Most amateurs just aren't good enough to take advantage of or feel the difference between a Pro V1 or Z-Star and a Top Flite.

Yeah, you would think it would help weaker players, but I'm a huge believer that the hotter drivers, better golf balls and more consistent shafts are of greater benefit to the better players. The more consistent you swing, the more advantage you can take of the new technology.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by GPK

Yeah, you would think it would help weaker players, but I'm a huge believer that the hotter drivers, better golf balls and more consistent shafts are of greater benefit to the better players. The more consistent you swing, the more advantage you can take of the new technology.

I only like steel shafted irons... grafite driver. I dont like the grafite irons, they are too light, need some weight!

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GPK

Yeah, you would think it would help weaker players, but I'm a huge believer that the hotter drivers, better golf balls and more consistent shafts are of greater benefit to the better players. The more consistent you swing, the more advantage you can take of the new technology.

With the old equipment you really needed to hit the ball in the center of the club face. With the new equipment (especially the drivers with the bigger faces) you don't have to quite hit it square in the center of the club. The new equipment is more forgiving. In that way, I think the new equipment could help a guy who is an 18 handicap more than it would help a pro. The pros are almost always hitting the ball square in the center of the club face any way. It's the 18 handicaps that are hitting the ball off the toe and that type of thing. The more forgiving equipment is going to really help that type of player. Now if you're talking about a horrendous player that can't break 120, the new equipment probably won't do him much good. But for an 18 handicap who can at least make halfway-solid contact most of the time, I think that being able to get away with hittting one a little off-center could really make a big difference.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I only like steel shafted irons... grafite driver. I dont like the grafite irons, they are too light, need some weight!

You are stronger than the average woman. You need steel shaft irons.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

With the old equipment you really needed to hit the ball in the center of the club face. With the new equipment (especially the drivers with the bigger faces) you don't have to quite hit it square in the center of the club. The new equipment is more forgiving. In that way, I think the new equipment could help a guy who is a 18 handicap more than it would help a pro. The pros are almost always hitting the ball square in the center of the club face any way. It's the 18 handicaps that are hitting the ball off the toe and that type of thing.

Even with the new technology, the guy is still an 18 handicap, so it isn't helping his game a lick. I know of very few people that used to be a 25 handicap and now are an 18 because of equipment. And I don't know and 10 handicappers that used to be 18-20 handicappers before changing equipment. Until 18 handicappers start spending 80-85% of their practice time chipping and putting, they will remain 18 handicaps for life, I don't care how great the technology is.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I only like steel shafted irons... grafite driver. I dont like the grafite irons, they are too light, need some weight!

I know what you mean. I was so used to heavier clubs that it took me a while to get used to the new irons. The Hogan Apex irons were much heavier than Callaway irons. Although, I think it was more the blade of the iron that was heavier, rather than the shaft. It took me a while to feel like I could hit the lighter irons as far as the heavier ones.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GPK

Even with the new technology, the guy is still an 18 handicap, so it isn't helping his game a lick. I know of very few people that used to be a 25 handicap and now are an 18 because of equipment. And I don't know and 10 handicappers that used to be 18-20 handicappers before changing equipment. Until 18 handicappers start spending 80-85% of their practice time chipping and putting, they will remain 18 handicaps for life, I don't care how great the technology is.

Let's just say hypothetically that you have a guy who is an 18 handicap right now and he is using Hogan Apex irons from the 1980s and a wood driver. If he got a new set of Calloways, don't you think he might be able to get down to a 14 handicap?