Anyone See the Risen Star? - Page 3

packerbacker7964 · #41 02-10-2007, 06:50 PM

To me was trapped with no where to go. Sure he was full of run but where was he to run? Came to the top of the lane with his ears pricked but then again nowhere to run. I thought JV did a great job to just stay on him. I bet Tabor about **** his pants when the 1 lost his jockey right in front of Quay. Quay got a slammed right out of the gate was dead last into the 1st turn, had a horse throw his jockey right in front of him and still I say close for 5th place. Won? no. 4th at best I think.

Samarta · #42 02-10-2007, 07:34 PM

I thought CQ was out of it from the jump. He broke bad, was dead last at the first quarter, got up to about 6th or 7th at the top of the stretch before the incident in front of him. I actually thought the one that was full of run was Slews Tizzy. Hard to tell though when you have horses on the lead that are flat out of gas and horses coming up behind them. If the incident doesn't happen, I still don't believe CQ hits the board...jmo

zippyneedsawin · #43 02-10-2007, 08:22 PM

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It was an amazing thing he finished the race at all. I like BTW are skeptical of his chances winning a big race going two turns but to me it looked like he would have at least been second. He did finish up pretty good considering what happened to him.

I agree. If CQ gets through the hole on the rail cleanly(and that's a big if), I think he finishes at least 2nd and possibly even wins it. He was about to pass a lot of horses in a hurry until that horse in front of him went down. I just hope CQ didn't hurt himself trying to avoid that mess.

ddthetide · #44 02-10-2007, 08:23 PM

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If the incident doesn't happen, I still don't believe CQ hits the board...jmo

looked like to much traffic to me. i didn't see CQ hitting the board either.
to me what everyone is missing, was the move Albarado pulled to get Notional loose..... jmo.

blackthroatedwind · #45 02-10-2007, 08:25 PM

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I agree. If CQ gets through the hole on the rail cleanly(and that's a big if), I think he finishes at least 2nd and possibly even wins it. He was about to pass a lot of horses in a hurry until that horse in front of him went down. I just hope CQ didn't hurt himself trying to avoid that mess.

How exactly does one KNOW that a horse stymied in traffic was " about to pass a lot of horses in a hurry "?

zippyneedsawin · #46 02-10-2007, 08:33 PM

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How exactly does one KNOW that a horse stymied in traffic was " about to pass a lot of horses in a hurry "?

oh, where was the word KNOW in that sentence? Since he did pass all but 4 of the horses by the end of the race anyway, I think it's safe to ASSUME he would have.. you know what his PPs look like, CQ has done that in every other race he's run.

blackthroatedwind · #47 02-10-2007, 08:39 PM

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oh, where was the word KNOW in that sentence? Since he did pass all but 4 of the horses by the end of the race anyway, I think it's safe to ASSUME he would have.. you know what his PPs look like, CQ has done that in every other race he's run.

You said he was " about to pass a lot of horses in a hurry " and you said it as a statement of fact. There was no " I think " included so I think I rightfully inferred that you seemed to know it.

You may be right but we won't ever know. That is until he fails at a short price in his next start as well.

He's a closing sprinter. Three times at two turns, two less than stellar performances with VERY good setups, and one " who knows ". I guess he can pass distance challenged quitters.....but can he pass horses that are actually accelerating and not decelerating? So far he hasn't done that going two turns.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #48 02-10-2007, 08:47 PM

c q..1 more on the t- pleach....this is gonna be a great horse list..with the amount of stock this guy has to play with ..he gets to have the luxury of totally f ing them up and then return them to races at will..under there real level of comp..after they have been spotted well over there head intially..and no one says **** about it//

NTamm1215 · #49 02-10-2007, 08:48 PM

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You said he was " about to pass a lot of horses in a hurry " and you said it as a statement of fact. There was no " I think " included so I think I rightfully inferred that you seemed to know it.

You may be right but we won't ever know. That is until he fails at a short price in his next start as well.

He's a closing sprinter. Three times at two turns, two less than stellar performances with VERY good setups, and one " who knows ". I guess he can pass distance challenged quitters.....but can he pass horses that are actually accelerating and not decelerating? So far he hasn't done that going two turns.

I really don't think you can make a definitive statement about him being a closing sprinter just yet. Granted the best race of his life was a sprint and he is now 0 for 3 around two turns I still want to see one more. That's just me though and I can easily see how one would be a little over him now.

I want somebody to mention how Appealing Zophie went faster than Notional today. Maybe I'm the only one who really wasn't impressed with Notional's race.

NT

zippyneedsawin · #50 02-10-2007, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You said he was " about to pass a lot of horses in a hurry " and you said it as a statement of fact. There was no " I think " included so I think I rightfully inferred that you seemed to know it.

You may be right but we won't ever know. That is until he fails at a short price in his next start as well.

He's a closing sprinter. Three times at two turns, two less than stellar performances with VERY good setups, and one " who knows ". I guess he can pass distance challenged quitters.....but can he pass horses that are actually accelerating and not decelerating? So far he hasn't done that going two turns.

You could have 'inferred' that I assumed that as well.

Just to poke fun back at you, please explain:

How exactly does one KNOW a horse Circular Quay is a 'closing sprinter" when he 1) ran his first route on Poly, 2) passes all but 1 horse in his 2nd attempt (were the other 12 all decelerating?) , 3) is 'stymied' in his latest route race?

Seriously, he may end up being exactly that, but I can't conclude that yet.

#51 02-10-2007, 08:56 PM

Intrigued by the ongoing fascination with inside suckup trouble trips.

Sightseek · #52 02-10-2007, 09:01 PM

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I'm confused....did anyone actually WATCH this race?

Circular Quay, who I don't like and bet against, had an " Invasor trip " times ten. He was jammed inside by Velasquez and when the horse broke down directly in front of him he was COMPLETELY eliminated and lost many lengths. Please watch this race again.

Look, I don't think a great deal of Circular Quay going two turns, but the flow of the race fit his running style and he did VERY well to finish where he did considering his ridiculous amount of trouble.

I don't believe the horse who lost his jock broke down, but clipped heels with 'captain which caused the jockey to go over his head.

blackthroatedwind · #53 02-10-2007, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

You could have 'inferred' that I assumed that as well.

Just to poke fun back at you, please explain:

How exactly does one KNOW a horse Circular Quay is a 'closing sprinter" when he 1) ran his first route on Poly, 2) passes all but 1 horse in his 2nd attempt (were the other 12 all decelerating?) , 3) is 'stymied' in his latest route race?

Seriously, he may end up being exactly that, but I can't conclude that yet.

I basically rely on " knowing " things in this game before they are obvious to everyone else. That's the only way to make money in this game.

One could excuse his polytrack effort if it hadn't been backed up by his BC two turn effort. Since they were both similar I doubt it was the polytrack that caused him a problem. Is that absolute? No, but it makes more than reasonable sense.

I am assuming you are kidding about the BC. Have you watched it? Looked at the chart perhaps? He lost by TEN lengths. More horses finish ninth that lose by ten lengths than finish second. It's pretty fair to assume those behind him were collapsing. And, you know what? They were.

The truth about Circular Quay is that while he's certainly a very nice horse he has never done anything of note. His wins have been moderately fast and the result of unbelievably good setups. A better way to label him would be " better closing sprinter than two-turn router but not exceptional at either ".

blackthroatedwind · #54 02-10-2007, 09:05 PM

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I don't believe the horse who lost his jock broke down, but clipped heels with 'captain which caused the jockey to go over his head.

I believe you are correct. I apologize.

I should have said " went down ".

RAWSKILLZ · #55 02-10-2007, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm confused....did anyone actually WATCH this race?

Circular Quay, who I don't like and bet against, had an " Invasor trip " times ten. He was jammed inside by Velasquez and when the horse broke down directly in front of him he was COMPLETELY eliminated and lost many lengths. Please watch this race again.

Look, I don't think a great deal of Circular Quay going two turns, but the flow of the race fit his running style and he did VERY well to finish where he did considering his ridiculous amount of trouble.

I just got back from the track. Was a great day, thank god it has stopped raining for awhile. I was looking forward to seeing Quay and Not. both "in person". I was very impressed with Not.s last race and was looking to either count him out or put him firmly in my Derby horse list. Quay had a horrible,horrible, horrible trip. There is no way in earth that this race can be held agianst him. I still like him alot. But,,,,that being said, Not. became a man today! I dont see why he cant go on to bigger and better things. He is my #2 Derby horse right behind Nobiz. And its a close race between those two. Not's shown today that he can run between horses and not be afraid. You have to like a horse that will do that. Both Quay and Not. looked great today.

Sightseek · #56 02-10-2007, 09:09 PM

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I just got back from the track. Was a great day, thank god it has stopped raining for awhile. I was looking forward to seeing Quay and Not. both "in person". I was very impressed with Not.s last race and was looking to either count him out or put him firmly in my Derby horse list. Quay had a horrible,horrible, horrible trip. There is no way in earth that this race can be held agianst him. I still like him alot. But,,,,that being said, Not. became a man today! I dont see why he cant go on to bigger and better things. He is my #2 Derby horse right behind Nobiz. And its a close race between those two. Not's shown today that he can run between horses and not be afraid. You have to like a horse that will do that. Both Quay and Not. looked great today.

I'd rate Ravel higher in the Pletcher barn for the Derby than Circular Quay.

GPK · #57 02-10-2007, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by PPerfectfan

I just got back from the track. Was a great day, thank god it has stopped raining for awhile. I was looking forward to seeing Quay and Not. both "in person". I was very impressed with Not.s last race and was looking to either count him out or put him firmly in my Derby horse list. Quay had a horrible,horrible, horrible trip. There is no way in earth that this race can be held agianst him. I still like him alot. But,,,,that being said, Not. became a man today! I dont see why he cant go on to bigger and better things. He is my #2 Derby horse right behind Nobiz. And its a close race between those two. Not's shown today that he can run between horses and not be afraid. You have to like a horse that will do that. Both Quay and Not. looked great today.

can we get this re-posted in bold letters...just to make it easier to read???

I joke because I care...

zippyneedsawin · #58 02-10-2007, 09:33 PM

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I am assuming you are kidding about the BC. Have you watched it? Looked at the chart perhaps? He lost by TEN lengths.

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I assume you know better than that. CQ lost by 10 lengths yes, but if Street Sense and CQ's trips are reversed, you very well know the distance would be much closer.

blackthroatedwind · #59 02-10-2007, 09:40 PM

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I assume you know better than that. CQ lost by 10 lengths yes, but if Street Sense and CQ's trips are reversed, you very well know the distance would be much closer.

They had almost identical trips. Street Sense's was better but not by very much.

zippyneedsawin · #60 02-10-2007, 09:44 PM

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They had almost identical trips. Street Sense's was better but not by very much.

I disagree with that. CQ was 5? wide on the turn, SS skimmed the rail... a rail that many would say played favorably most of the day. To me, that's quite a few lengths difference.