NYRA Suspends Baffert

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

One could argue that NYRA took action too soon. The banned a trainer for an alleged medication violation in another jurisdiction.

The split sample has yet to be analyzed. Were it to return negative for betamethasone, the case in KY will be dropped. Would NYRA be in a vulnerable position if that takes place?

On the other side of the coin, is the action they took going to be particularly effective? What are they going to do if a horse like Charlatan shows up in the entry box with a different trainer?

I assume they would likely lift the ban if the split sample comes back negative.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by cakes44

I assume they would likely lift the ban if the split sample comes back negative.

Of course; I was just trying to point out that they are going out on a limb to some extent.

[jms62]

Gotta say I am loving this. Supporting another jurisdictions ban. Can't run your horses with a beard. Owners can't be happy. All for what many are saying is a non performance enhancer. Is this Horse racings version of Al Capone being locked up for tax evasion?

[moses]

Originally Posted by cmfhb411

I don’t envy NYRA’s position at all.

But if you look at the timeline from 5/9 til 5/17,
even if they did this with the purest of intentions,
their failure on the PR end of it is indefensible.

I don’t know. It seems like you are splitting hairs at this point.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by moses

I don’t know. It seems like you are splitting hairs at this point.

Ya think?

I’m not even sure what the whole argument is at this point. It wasn’t done fast enough? They failed on the PR end somehow? Would coming out with this last Friday been better? Attempting to upstage the weekend? That would have been better for PR?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by cmfhb411

I'm not that easy to sell a bill of goods to.

Also, I admitted my errors as timely as could possibly be done.

That's what adults do.

Unless, Dahoss you want me to put those links up here,
so you can falsely accuse me of not admitting my mistakes again.

I'm not apologizing for calling out NYRA for trying to sell
their "looking out for the bettors and the integrity of the sport"
statement as the 1st or primary reason for their action on Monday.

You can't sell that to anyone who has just eye open.

Who is trying to sell you anything? You can put up whatever links you want. Your continued posting as it relates to this speaks volumes.

Keep throwing s.hit against the wall. I’m sure something will stick eventually.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by cmfhb411

since I jumped on this thread, you've outdone me by about 4 posts.

But my "continued posting as it relates to this speaks volumes"?

Yeah.....said the 8000+ post guy

It speaks volumes because you’ve been wrong about pretty much everything and only when Steve corrected you did you kind of admit you were wrong.

Even now you’re still going on and on. You’re acting like NYRA kicked your dog or something.

You “called out NYRA,” LOL...how brave of you.

Go back under whatever rock you crawled out of.

[odbaxter]

Bob's getting a raw deal on this one.
What would any of us have done in his shoes. You have an underdog , Derby horse, with a nasty rash spike a month ( give or take a bit) before the race. You treat it, and hope the drug clears the system. You can't scratch him from the biggest race in the world. Not for a skin rash.
Taking it head on would have been wise, but his credibility is shot.

Does anyone believe that Medina was juiced and that was how he won the Derby? It cleared within 10 Days or so?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by odbaxter

Bob's getting a raw deal on this one.
What would any of us have done in his shoes. You have an underdog , Derby horse, with a nasty rash spike a month ( give or take a bit) before the race. You treat it, and hope the drug clears the system. You can't scratch him from the biggest race in the world. Not for a skin rash.
Taking it head on would have been wise, but his credibility is shot.

Does anyone believe that Medina was juiced and that was how he won the Derby? It cleared within 10 Days or so?

I don’t think he was juiced but the problem is Baffert has continually shown that he thinks rules don’t apply to him.

His horse was DQ’d in the Oaks last year and this year there is an issue in the Derby.

Why can’t he play by the rules everyone else does? At what point are all of these “mistakes” not okay?

[odbaxter]

I agree. Rules are rules.

I just think that this was a no win situation. He was a matter of hours, or days from having the horse test clean.
if it clears his system just a little quicker, he continues as the greatest trainer in recent times.
What would you have done in his shoes with this horse? I guess he could have paid to have his horse tested the day(s) before and scratched on race day if his sample wasn't clear.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by odbaxter

I agree. Rules are rules.

I just think that this was a no win situation. He was a matter of hours, or days from having the horse test clean.
if it clears his system just a little quicker, he continues as the greatest trainer in recent times.
What would you have done in his shoes with this horse? I guess he could have paid to have his horse tested the day(s) before and scratched on race day if his sample wasn't clear.

If I was in his shoes I would administer medication at the appropriate times and not cut it so close. Plenty of trainers have had to scratch for similar reasons.

[odbaxter]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

If I was in his shoes I would administer medication at the appropriate times and not cut it so close. Plenty of trainers have had to scratch for similar reasons.

A fever, cough, swelling, entrapping? But a skin rash? I would've cut it as close as I could if it was going help keep my shot at the derby together.
Rules are rules; but silly rules yield silly results.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by odbaxter

A fever, cough, swelling, entrapping? But a skin rash? I would've cut it as close as I could if it was going help keep my shot at the derby together.
Rules are rules; but silly rules yield silly results.

He always has an excuse though.

Everyone else seems to be able to play by them. For some reason Baffert doesn’t. It’s enough already.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by cmfhb411

11/18/2020
https://www.horseracingnation.com/ne...ation_case_123

5/9/2021
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ve/5013445001/

5/10/2021
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6253516736001#sp=show-clips

5/15/2021
https://www.espn.com/horse-racing/st...akes-11-1-odds


5/17/2021 1:46PM EST

https://twitter.com/NYSGamingComm/st...539998720?s=20


5/17/2021 4:19PM EST

https://twitter.com/TheNYRA/status/1...834301442?s=20



anyone find the space (time) between the last two newsflashes interesting?

I can’t stop laughing. You still think they are related.

Wow

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by cmfhb411

Now it all makes sense. You’re a Baffert apologist.

Wow

[King Glorious]

I am not a Baffert apologist but I have nothing against the cheaters because, as I've said, I've suspected that most everyone either crosses or goes right up to the line. Many times on here, I've expressed where I would like to see horses run and I get told how I'm very cavalier with other people's property/money. I get told that the job of the trainer is to pick the spots where the horse fits best and gives the owner the best chance to make money on their investment. The talk about Baffert cheating is not new. It's been talked about for years and years. Yet, owners keep sending their top stock to him year after year. So what does that tell you? They are willing to take the risks because the rewards are so great. The sport's governing bodies have never done anything to give Baffert reason to stop doing what he's been doing so in my opinion, he'd be a complete idiot to stop. Why? Cause some fans are upset that the playing field is not completely even? Is his responsibility to us or to the owners that give him their horses? Some of you need to get with reality. If he can do what he does and make himself more successful than any trainer in history while making tons of money and happiness for his owners and only suffer minor slaps on the wrist, i'm sorry but there is just no reason for him to stop.

I've bet this sport for many years always believing cheating was going on. If Baffert were banned for life tomorrow, I'd continue to bet just like I always have and I'd continue to believe that people in the game were cheating. To me, Baffert's just a bad cheater cause he keeps getting caught while others are good enough to know how to not get caught.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I am not a Baffert apologist but I have nothing against the cheaters because, as I've said, I've suspected that most everyone either crosses or goes right up to the line. Many times on here, I've expressed where I would like to see horses run and I get told how I'm very cavalier with other people's property/money. I get told that the job of the trainer is to pick the spots where the horse fits best and gives the owner the best chance to make money on their investment. The talk about Baffert cheating is not new. It's been talked about for years and years. Yet, owners keep sending their top stock to him year after year. So what does that tell you? They are willing to take the risks because the rewards are so great. The sport's governing bodies have never done anything to give Baffert reason to stop doing what he's been doing so in my opinion, he'd be a complete idiot to stop. Why? Cause some fans are upset that the playing field is not completely even? Is his responsibility to us or to the owners that give him their horses? Some of you need to get with reality. If he can do what he does and make himself more successful than any trainer in history while making tons of money and happiness for his owners and only suffer minor slaps on the wrist, i'm sorry but there is just no reason for him to stop.

I've bet this sport for many years always believing cheating was going on. If Baffert were banned for life tomorrow, I'd continue to bet just like I always have and I'd continue to believe that people in the game were cheating. To me, Baffert's just a bad cheater cause he keeps getting caught while others are good enough to know how to not get caught.

He’s 0 for 8 since Mother’s Day when the overage news was leaked. Extremely small sample size sure, but interesting, no? He went from getting in front of every camera when this came out to not attending the Preakness and not answering any questions from the media. He was mocked on SNL and with the exception of a few fan boys has been pretty much universally criticized for among other things lying over and over again. For a really successful guy...his dumb routine did not go over well.

There are a few sacred things in this sport that you can’t mess with. The Derby, your HOY opinions, etc....and he pushed the envelope too far this time. Even if he and the horse are exonerated the damage is done. Spendthrift took one horse and if the horse gets DQ’d I’d bet more follow. His good guy reputation has been tarnished. This will follow him for the rest of his career.

You’re right that for most of us, it won’t change our betting one way or another. And sure, Baffert is one of many suspect guys whose results often seem not realistic. But I feel more confident betting races where Servis and Navarro don’t have an entrant. My guess is others do too.

[Dahoss]

Per Dave Grening, Charlatan did not come out of his most recent work well and is sidelined indefinitely.

[moses]

I think we can all agree that Charlatan has done enough and it’s time to retire him to stud.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by moses

I think we can call agree that Charlatan has done enough and it’s time to retire him to stud.

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