Another gop govt shutdown?!

[Danzig]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/26/us/col...fetus-lawsuit/

Colorado supreme court refused to hear the case so the ruling stood. The husband declared bankruptcy rather than pay the legal bills for the hospital. As you can see, they offered to drop the counter suit if he didn't appeal..

[Danzig]

And we all know the Hippocratic oath, first do no harm to the patient.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lori-f...b_5037035.html
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/cathol...ays-2D11674429

A woman died in ireland due to such 'care'. It is unconscionable that hospitals know full well a pregnancy is doomed, but still follow religious protocol over medical.
http://blog.ansirh.org/2013/02/pregn...lic-hospitals/

Note the lack of medical training for the religious person who tells docotrs what to do.
But, when you notice infection, cmon back. Obscene.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Which part of it "ending a human life" did you miss?

Every practice that is outlawed continues to some degree. There is drug abuse. There is underage drinking. There is insider trading. Yes, there are other varieties of murder. But obviously the incidence of these things goes down when they are outlawed and punishment after due process is applied.

Ever watch the investigative dramas about police work? There are many, many characters depicted that are in a bind, maybe they murder to end exploitation or blackmail, or they got carried away with an emotional reaction, or they were just stone cold evil. In every case, the sorting out of the case is left to the courts. The apprehension and charging of the suspect is uniformly carried out by the police, and then the case is adjudicated by the court.

That is all fiction of course, but it should say something about how we view the law and how we teach our kids (the ones not aborted), about right and wrong.

The idea that we would let a heinous practice continue to be legal just because people will continue to do it is not one that I would support.

You've already made clear that you think every woman who gets an abortion should die. You know, seeing as how 1 out of 3 women terminates a pregnancy before the age of 45, that means you likely have some friends (assuming you have female friends, I could be wrong on this) that you think should die for their "crimes."

This "heinous practice" was legal until about 1867, then illegal nationwide roughly until 1970, when NY State legalized it, and had a 45 percent drop in maternal mortality the following year. So we had a 100 year window to see the effects of making it illegal.

Today, there are roughly 1,100,000 abortions a year. During the 1950s and 1960s, estimates on numbers of illegal abortions range from 200,000 to 1,200,000 a year. (That's in a population of 180 million in 1960, as opposed to the 282 million we have today.) So yeah, making it illegal sure did dissuade women from getting them (pause while my eyes roll back in my head).

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/26/us/col...fetus-lawsuit/

Colorado supreme court refused to hear the case so the ruling stood. The husband declared bankruptcy rather than pay the legal bills for the hospital. As you can see, they offered to drop the counter suit if he didn't appeal..

Proving that when push comes to shove, the only real god people worship is Mammon.

Obviously, the courts were legally correct to toss out that charge, but I find it hilarious and unsurprising that the hospital were happy to embrace the law when it helped them, while denying legal procedures to female patients. (And male, for that matter, since they also won't do vasectomies)

[Danzig]

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/planned-p...s-were-altered

According to a report compiled by a group Planned Parenthood hired, Fusion GPS, a forensic video expert found that the Center for Medical Progress’s “full footage videos contained numerous intentional post-production edits.” Based on the timestamps on the longer videos alone, roughly 30 minutes are missing from the videos recorded in Texas and Colorado. The research firm also found that the transcripts provided by the Center for Medical Progress are inaccurate as judged against a transcript made by an independent service. “All four transcripts by CMP contain substantive omissions, and the Texas transcript appears to be grossly edited,” the Fusion GPS report says.

and further along:

“Despite Mr. Daleiden’s three-year effort to entrap Planned Parenthood, he failed to succeed in convincing even a single affiliate to enter into a procurement contract with his fake company,” Richards wrote, referring to David Daleiden, the Center for Medical Progress’s ringleader. In the case of one video filmed in Colorado, Richards said, the doctor “repeatedly told the Biomax representative that legal counsel would have to review any contract with Biomax. These references were consistently deleted from the video excerpt Mr. Daleiden released. Indeed, legal counsel did in fact review the proposed Biomax contract and objected to its terms because they did not comply with federal law.”

[Danzig]

stumbled across this today, and remembered we'd had a bit of a PP discussion on here, so thought I'd share:

Dr. Monica Miller of Citizens for a Pro-Life Society, one of the main organizers of this weekend’s protest rallies at Planned Parenthood clinics, said on Tuesday that even if Planned Parenthood were to stop performing abortions, she would still want to strip it of federal funding because it promotes a “corrupt view of human sexuality” including “sex for recreation, sex for mere pleasure.” “Planned Parenthood from the top to the bottom is a corrupt organization,” Miller told Ave Maria Radio’s Teresa Tomeo, “corrupt in its view of the sanctity of human life and corrupt in its view of human sexuality. And I say even if Planned Parenthood didn’t perform one single abortion, just the mere fact that its sexual ethic is corrupted means right there, should be the reason right there, that they should not receive any federal money. The kind of sexual ethic that Planned Parenthood promotes is sex for recreation, sex for mere pleasure.” “Unfortunately we live in a culture that believes in that sexual ethic and so Planned Parenthood gets $528 million of federal tax money,” she added.


um...
right.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Danzig

stumbled across this today, and remembered we'd had a bit of a PP discussion on here, so thought I'd share:

Dr. Monica Miller of Citizens for a Pro-Life Society, one of the main organizers of this weekend’s protest rallies at Planned Parenthood clinics, said on Tuesday that even if Planned Parenthood were to stop performing abortions, she would still want to strip it of federal funding because it promotes a “corrupt view of human sexuality” including “sex for recreation, sex for mere pleasure.” “Planned Parenthood from the top to the bottom is a corrupt organization,” Miller told Ave Maria Radio’s Teresa Tomeo, “corrupt in its view of the sanctity of human life and corrupt in its view of human sexuality. And I say even if Planned Parenthood didn’t perform one single abortion, just the mere fact that its sexual ethic is corrupted means right there, should be the reason right there, that they should not receive any federal money. The kind of sexual ethic that Planned Parenthood promotes is sex for recreation, sex for mere pleasure.” “Unfortunately we live in a culture that believes in that sexual ethic and so Planned Parenthood gets $528 million of federal tax money,” she added.


um...
right.

And right here is what pro-choice folk have been warning for years. It's not about abortion; it's about controlling women's sexuality. Because there are very few pro-lifers who are pro-birth control and pro-comprehensive sex ed in schools (I say "few" because I do actually know one personally, and I give her props).

The lawsuits about some forms of contraception are part of it- the companies object to certain forms (conveniently, the ones that women control entirely), claiming they can prevent implantation of a fertilized egg, despite there being no evidence that they do. So they go to court with outdated and false information, claiming that because they "believe" it's true, it should be treated like it is actually true. Even though it's not true. Ugh.

[Crown@club]

But Condoms are getting expensive!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CR3TDgvUAAA9o2-.jpg:large

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

But Condoms are getting expensive!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CR3TDgvUAAA9o2-.jpg:large

have never seen a menu like that before! wth is sprayology?

you know...never mind. i don't think it want to know.