How good is Lava Man?

Seattleallstar · #1 09-17-2006, 06:55 PM

lol how did Good Reward end up

1st_Saturday_in_May · #2 09-17-2006, 06:59 PM

Lava Man will get his ass handed to him in teh Classic IMO

Rupert Pupkin · #3 09-17-2006, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

lol how did Good Reward end up

That doesn't prove anything. Lava Man has beaten other horses that came back and won huge races in their next start. He beat Borrego by 8 lengths in the Hollywood Gold Cup last year. Borrego came back and won his next two two races. He won the Pacific Classic and then he won the Jockey Club Gold Cup by 7 lengths.

Thunder Gulch · #4 09-17-2006, 07:13 PM

He's really good in Cali, but we'll know a lot more in 60 days.

DiscreetCat=Monster · #5 09-17-2006, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

That doesn't prove anything. Lava Man has beaten other horses that came back and won huge races in their next start. He beat Borrego by 8 lengths in the Hollywood Gold Cup last year. Borrego came back and won his next two two races. He won the Pacific Classic and then he won the Jockey Club Gold Cup by 7 lengths.

Yea wasn't lava man in the JCGC and the Pacific Classic when Borrego brought his A game, so i guess that means when he faces top quality horses on their A game he is gonna get his butt kicked

Rupert Pupkin · #6 09-17-2006, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by LOSE=GLUE

Yea wasn't lava man in the JCGC and the Pacific Classic when Borrego brought his A game, so i guess that means when he faces top quality horses on their A game he is gonna get his butt kicked

In the Pacific Classic, LM went head and head in :45 3/5. He still only lost the race by a length or two. Do you know any horse that can go head and head in :45 3/5 in a 1 1/4 mile race and still win. I don't. In the New York race, he lost by 20 lengths. He obviously didn't fire that day. There was something bothering him.

DiscreetCat=Monster · #7 09-17-2006, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

In the Pacific Classic, LM went head and head in :45 3/5. He still only lost the race by a length or two. Do you know any horse that can go head and head in :45 3/5 in a 1 1/4 mile race and still win. I don't. In the New York race, he lost by 20 lengths. He obviously didn't fire that day. There was something bothering him.

Still not gonna change my opinon. I watched Good Reward run and I just don't think he would of been within 10 lenghts of Bernadini or Invasor for that matter and their only 3yo's. California horses are weaker than ever this year and by Nov 4th Lava Man will be way past his prime to deal with all the fresh faces.

Rupert Pupkin · #8 09-17-2006, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by LOSE=GLUE

Still not gonna change my opinon. I watched Good Reward run and I just don't think he would of been within 10 lenghts of Bernadini or Invasor for that matter and their only 3yo's. California horses are weaker than ever this year and by Nov 4th Lava Man will be way past his prime to deal with all the fresh faces.

LM's last 2 races were not as impressive as some of his other races. He may not be as sharp right now as he has been in the past. I'm not saying that he can beat Bernardidni. I would definitely give Benardini the edge right now.

I'm not a big fan of Invasor. By the way, Invasor is a 4 year old.

2Hot4TV · #9 09-17-2006, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

lol how did Good Reward end up

Here we go again. Lava Man has been very good to me at the window and I hope we have the Breeders Cup show down. LAVA MAN is one very good RACE horse. Good Reward ships across the country then runs a bad race and that makes him a second class race horse. I love you guy putting money in the pool.

#10 09-18-2006, 11:37 AM

Joel I agree with you completely but just wanted to mention that using a horse like Good Reward and his subsequent effort as a basis of "proof" that Lava Man isn't any good is faulty in nature.
Good Reward ran a lifetime effort last out and when you use a lifetime effort by a 5 year old horse who then bounces(duh) in his next start you really aren't proving anything.

Seattleallstar · #11 09-18-2006, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Joel I agree with you completely but just wanted to mention that using a horse like Good Reward and his subsequent effort as a basis of "proof" that Lava Man isn't any good is faulty in nature.
Good Reward ran a lifetime effort last out and when you use a lifetime effort by a 5 year old horse who then bounces(duh) in his next start you really aren't proving anything.

you had to find way to rain on my parade