NFL Draft...

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

I'll laugh my ass of when the Chiefs take Clausen and then he supplants that worthless Cassell, and becomes successful.

I actually hope not, but for this post, I think its appropriate.

It would be funny if Clausen is reunited with Weiss.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

It would be funny if Clausen is reunited with Weiss.

Very good point. I think the Chiefs grab him in the 2nd round because of this.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by philcski

Very good point. I think the Chiefs grab him in the 2nd round because of this.

I don't think you can assume Weiss is in love with him because he coached him in college. It may be the exact opposite and Weiss may want to stay away since he has intimate knowledge of Clausen's shortcomings.

I don't know anything about it, but just playing devil's advocate.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

I don't think you can assume Weiss is in love with him because he coached him in college. It may be the exact opposite and Weiss may want to stay away since he has intimate knowledge of Clausen's shortcomings.

I don't know anything about it, but just playing devil's advocate.

You mean Scott Pioli didnt call and get input?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by philcski

Very good point. I think the Chiefs grab him in the 2nd round because of this.

Guess not. 48 picks in he finally gets taken by the Panthers.

A sneaking suspicion that character means a lot in this draft given the Rothlisberger debacle.

[Cannon Shell]

Jon Gruden has funny hair

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I don't like what they have done this offseason, I may be the only one. 8-8

Yeah, what a bunch of shitheads, getting a top 10 corner and then a Super Bowl MVP for a half a bag of chips, then convincing a first ballot HOF RB to agree to being a backup. The Taylor move is anathema to us fans, but it's low risk high reward. What else? I don't like cutting Faneca, but other than that, all Tannenbaum's done this offseason is rob teams left and right for star players. How can you have a problem with that? Oh, I know, if you're on a high horse about "character" and other meaningless non-football cliches.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Yeah, what a bunch of shitheads, getting a top 10 corner and then a Super Bowl MVP for a half a bag of chips, then convincing a first ballot HOF RB to agree to being a backup. The Taylor move is anathema to us fans, but it's low risk high reward. What else? I don't like cutting Faneca, but other than that, all Tannenbaum's done this offseason is rob teams left and right for star players. How can you have a problem with that? Oh, I know, if you're on a high horse about "character" and other meaningless non-football cliches.

The jets didnt screw around thats for sure. I don't like Ladanian in place of Thomas Jones but the rest of the moves are hard to argue with.

How can anyone not love the Santonio Holmes deal? In his prime, signed for one year at pittsburgh money. If he sucks, you let him go. If he is what he has been, you have a topnotch receiver. There is NO RISK and incredibly high reward. This deal alone would be a successful offseason in my book. Throw in the other parts and it is a total slam dunk.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I really think McDaniel took him solely because of his mentality/attitude. After ditching Cutler and Marshall, it seems like he is trying to weed out the primadonna's/head cases out of Denver. Besides, I get the feeling that McDaniel thinks he is smarter than everyone else in the NFL and wants to prove he can coach Tebow into a star QB.

This is a fair assessment and I agree ... regardless of his reasons for taking him, I'm glad he did. Perhaps Tim will have the chance to prove himself because of it. Regardless, Tebow will sell some major merchandise for the franchise, so he's not a total waste anyway ...

[3kings]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

This is a fair assessment and I agree ... regardless of his reasons for taking him, I'm glad he did. Perhaps Tim will have the chance to prove himself because of it. Regardless, Tebow will sell some major merchandise for the franchise, so he's not a total waste anyway ...

Especially since he wears #15..........They will just take all those formerly useless Marshall shirts and put the Tebow name plate on them. Saved the Broncos and NFL a lot of money.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

The jets didnt screw around thats for sure. I don't like Ladanian in place of Thomas Jones but the rest of the moves are hard to argue with.

How can anyone not love the Santonio Holmes deal? In his prime, signed for one year at pittsburgh money. If he sucks, you let him go. If he is what he has been, you have a topnotch receiver. There is NO RISK and incredibly high reward. This deal alone would be a successful offseason in my book. Throw in the other parts and it is a total slam dunk.

The Steelers dont regularly just give away great players coming off of their best season.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The Steelers dont regularly just give away great players coming off of their best season.

I guess it just depends on what your definition of "great" is. Pittsburgh has a history of letting players go via free agency after really good seasons. They have to. The owners aren't extremely wealthy outside of the team (relatively speaking of course) and they can't throw signing bonuses around to keep all of their good players. Leon Searcy?

They knew that Holmes was gone after next season anyway. He was going to be out four games and with all of the trouble with him and Ben, he was the perfect "example". The Jets were in the right place at the right time and willing to take the plunge. The jets really have nothing to lose. Contract is up and if he doesnt perform they can simply cut him. Where is the risk?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I guess it just depends on what your definition of "great" is. Pittsburgh has a history of letting players go via free agency after really good seasons. They have to. The owners aren't extremely wealthy outside of the team (relatively speaking of course) and they can't throw signing bonuses around to keep all of their good players. Leon Searcy?

They knew that Holmes was gone after next season anyway. He was going to be out four games and with all of the trouble with him and Ben, he was the perfect "example". The Jets were in the right place at the right time and willing to take the plunge. The jets really have nothing to lose. Contract is up and if he doesnt perform they can simply cut him. Where is the risk?

The Rooneys are plenty wealthy but that doesnt really matter because there is a salary cap in football.

How many of those players were better after leaving? Because Holmes career has shown himself to be simply pretty good and that is with a better QB throwing him the ball.

The risk is that they are depending on a guy that is one step away from playing no games next year. You cant just pick up starting quality NFL receivers on the fly. I agree that in the short term he may be worth the risk. But it is a stretch to say the acquisition of Santonio holmes make the Jets offseason a huge success.

Of course I am biased but I am not worried that Cromartie or Holmes or the 2 washed up guys are going to make much of an impact. What I am worried about is the continuation of the jets mysterious spell over opposing kickers. That is a far greater weapon than any of the new guys.

[ateamstupid]

Guess I have to change my avatar.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The Rooneys are plenty wealthy but that doesnt really matter because there is a salary cap in football.

I didnt say the Rooneys weren't wealthy. They are wealthy but a vast majority of their wealth is in the team. Compared to the Dan Snyders of the world (see relativelyspeaking) they aren't in the same league.

I am extremely surprised by this statement. I don't mean to jump on you here but I don't think that is coming out the way you intended. Are you really saying that an owner's individual worth "really doesn't matter" in regards to signing free agents because of the salary cap?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I didnt say the Rooneys weren't wealthy. They are wealthy but a vast majority of their wealth is in the team. Compared to the Dan Snyders of the world (see relativelyspeaking) they aren't in the same league.

I am extremely surprised by this statement. I don't mean to jump on you here but I don't think that is coming out the way you intended. Are you really saying that an owner's individual worth "really doesn't matter" in regards to signing free agents because of the salary cap?

The Rooney family is plenty wealthy. That little harness track in Yonkers is basically a money printing machine.

Yes an owners wealth really doesnt matter in regards to signing free agents. If it does then how does Green Bay sign anyone?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The Rooney family is plenty wealthy. That little harness track in Yonkers is basically a money printing machine.

Yes an owners wealth really doesnt matter in regards to signing free agents. If it does then how does Green Bay sign anyone?

Chuck i need a horse. I can't pick a horse to save my life. Can you throw one out for a fan of yours?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Chuck i need a horse. I can't pick a horse to save my life. Can you throw one out for a fan of yours?

In the NFL there is a hard cap and floor. Last year it was 128 million and the floor was 87.5% of that number. The cap is based upon the per team revenues. Extra benefits above the cap are capped at $12 million. So basically the teams HAVE to spend a certain amount on their payroll and CANT spend more than a certain amount all of which is based on guaranteed shared revenue. So how exactly does an owners individual wealth matter when signing FA's?

Now the extra's like stadium deals, payroll for coaches and staff, facilities, etc can no doubt be affected by an owners wealth but I dont see how an owners individual wealth matters in matters of free agency. It is really the main reason why the NFL is such a competitive league and there arent any FL marlins, just mismanaged teams (Redskins)

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Chuck i need a horse. I can't pick a horse to save my life. Can you throw one out for a fan of yours?

Angry Dragon...but it may be awhile

[jms62]

I''m a Bills fan. Does anyone agree that this draft for the Bills is about as bad as it gets.