Glenn Beck

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Wow.

Just wow.

Someone who says something like that should not be given even one ounce of credibility when talking about race or racism. And I'd assume calling someone homophobic is the same as calling a gay person a fag, right?

i didn't think credibility would be an issue considering the first paragraph in the post with the 'definitions'.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

I fail to see the analogy. I posted definitions of four words. Dispute them, but spare me your opinion that I lack credibility. That's become a boring comeback by a lot of libs who can't think up a "credible" retort.

I'm not arguing your dictionary definitions, perhaps I'd argue your personal interpretation of what those words mean, but that's why I didn't quote your entire post, because it was frankly boring and uninteresting once I passed this privileged, racist (oh shoot, did I just call you the N word accidentally?!) little gem:

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Calling someone a racist is as bad as calling a black person the "N" word.

So I'm actually here to "dispute" your assertion that calling someone a racist is as bad as calling someone the "N" word, by which logic, calling someone a homophobe would be just as bad as calling someone a "fag."

Either embrace your logic or don't; your failure to see the analogy is the failure to embrace your own twisted logic quoted above. Just wondering if you really want to own that quote.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Just to be sure,Brian....Do you speak from and for the gay perspective? Should everything a person says be run through the various "filters"?

I am speaking for me in wondering how much P. Doreen wants to own the entirely racist idea that "calling someone a racist is the same as calling a black person the 'N' word."

No more, no less.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I am speaking for me in wondering how much P. Doreen wants to own the entirely racist idea that "calling someone a racist is the same as calling a black person the 'N' word."

No more, no less.

It's a ridiculous segue to the gay thing, but that's what you've been doing for years!....Hence,my question

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

It's a ridiculous segue to the gay thing, but that's what you've been doing for years!....Hence,my question

Why is it ridiculous? Please explain where the analogy is faulty. The analogy is pretty perfect actually.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Why is it ridiculous? Please explain where the analogy is faulty. The analogy is pretty perfect actually.

I think your logic is twisted...that's why I asked if you considered yourself to be speaking for the movement, or something personal. You paint people with a broad brush when you disagree with them, and I think it is disengenous of you.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I think your logic is twisted...that's why I asked if you considered yourself to be speaking for the movement, or something personal. You paint people with a broad brush when you disagree with them, and I think it is disengenous of you.

What "broad brush" did I paint Doreen with? Please tell me. I asked a simple question, based on the disgusting idea that the word "racist" and the "N" word are somehow equal.

An idea that is frankly disgusting. That's no broad brush. That's a comment on a comment left by someone else.

And I don't assume that you speak for every privileged, white, heterosexual male when you make a comment, so why would you assume that I'm speaking for anyone but myself here? Anyone could've made the homophobic=fag comment, because it used the same logic that Doreen's wonderful comment used, but you're able to brush it off because it was *me* who said it. And this may surprise you, but "oh you always bring it to the gay thing," simply because of who I am, is a pretty typical, well-worn silencing technique used towards any criticism. It happens all the time to women, people of color, gays, any marginalized group...'oh why do you always have to make it about you?'

I don't expect you to believe that, or even read it thoughtfully from where you're standing, however.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I could care less what race he is and political party he is with. Whoever is President I just want them to do a good job and not ruin this country. I have never brought up the race card like you are.

Dude... I live in Kentucky now. If you want to call me a profiler, fine, but every right wing conservative that's a NASCAR fan and an NRA fan is also racist. I know what type of person you are. You hate him.

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Two words that would put this country on the road to economic recovery - FAIR TAX.

Explain to me what you mean by Fair Tax. It's almost an oxymoron- since there's so many ways to generate and slice the pie.

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Sliding slightly off topic here - he sure is giving the shaft to one of our staunchest allies - Israel. Maybe he thinks the terrorist nations will like us better. HAH!

Calling it "giving Israel the shaft" is far from the truth.

Obviously, a strong Israeli-American relationship is important because it gives us a military foothold in a region we most need it, and culturally it's the only country in the Middle East that has any similarity to the US. However, are we spending too much money for it? The 2010 budget has $53 billion for international affairs, of which 50%(!!!) is appropriated for Israel- $4,000 per person in Israel! A good amount of this goes into developing weaponry in Israel, whereas in the last 10 years they have proceeded to try to sell these goods to potentially unsavory types (particularly China- whom I'd hope is not a threat but who knows.) Israel needs us a lot more than we need them... and we need them, but at what cost? (BTW, I don't think anybody, especially the President, has illusions that if we ever cut ties with Israel that the terrorist nations would "like" us better.)

That being said- Joe Biden's writer should be fired for his use of words. While I think the motion was correct, because another Israel-Palestine conflict would cost the USA significantly on much ado about nothing (an APARTMENT BUILDING!!!) the word "condemn" was far too strong.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

What "broad brush" did I paint Doreen with? Please tell me. I asked a simple question, based on the disgusting idea that the word "racist" and the "N" word are somehow equal.

An idea that is frankly disgusting. That's no broad brush. That's a comment on a comment left by someone else.

And I don't assume that you speak for every privileged, white, heterosexual male when you make a comment, so why would you assume that I'm speaking for anyone but myself here? Anyone could've made the homophobic=fag comment, because it used the same logic that Doreen's wonderful comment used, but you're able to brush it off because it was *me* who said it. And this may surprise you, but "oh you always bring it to the gay thing," simply because of who I am, is a pretty typical, well-worn silencing technique used towards any criticism. It happens all the time to women, people of color, gays, any marginalized group...'oh why do you always have to make it about you?'

I don't expect you to believe that, or even read it thoughtfully from where you're standing, however.

I asked you because I truly wondered. If you want to "pigeonhole" me with whatever dregs you consider to be evil, that's up to you. I don't need techniques to silence you...you can say your peace and be done with it,but probably not.

[Riot]

It's really unfortunate how much the words "racist" and "racism" are bandied about. They have lost their meaning since the stridently liberal, left wing media has gotten hold of the words and accuses everyone of being a racist who doesn't fall into lockstep with the liberal left.

Or, I can use it completely appropriately for a guy who is overtly and repeatedly racist in his statements.

Sorry for the soapbox, but my blood boils when I hear people who don't deserve the indignity being accused of racism or being called a racist. It's ignorance and/or stupidity in its highest form

And my blood boils when I hear people treat the President of the United States with rudeness and disrespect, such as questioning if he has the best interests of our country at heart. It's ignorance and/or stupidity in it's highest form. I go with stupid.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Or, I can use it completely appropriately for a guy who is overtly and repeatedly racist in his statements.



And my blood boils when I hear people treat the President of the United States with rudeness and disrespect, such as questioning if he has the best interests of our country at heart. It's ignorance and/or stupidity in it's highest form. I go with stupid.

He's not acting like he has the countrys' interests at heart. Don't even bother tellin me we're ahead of this time last year. The office of the POTUS has been trashed by the actions of the incumbent. But that's just me

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

He's not acting like he has the countrys' interests at heart.

Really? How? Name several specific instances.

Get real - he's not acting like you want. That's not the same thing.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

He's not acting like he has the countrys' interests at heart. Don't even bother tellin me we're ahead of this time last year. The office of the POTUS has been trashed by the actions of the incumbent. But that's just me

I'd love to know why you say this.

I still haven't got an answer from Nascar why he says the same thing.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Really? How? Name several specific instances.

Get real - he's not acting like you want. That's not the same thing.

Global politics(we keep losing friends) Health reform(even CBO says it's unsustainable) Shovel-ready jobs(Bwahahaha) I could go on...but it's late. Oh...and don't forget that unemployment is at record highs,still

[Riot]

A few of Rush Limbaugh's racist remarks (they are so easy to find):

“Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?”

That's right, Rush: all black people look alike.

“Right. So you go into Darfur and you go into South Africa, you get rid of the white government there. You put sanctions on them. You stand behind Nelson Mandela — who was bankrolled by communists for a time, had the support of certain communist leaders. You go to Ethiopia. You do the same thing.”

Blacks = communists. Look at President Obama!

“Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it.”

Yeah, Rushbo, you said it: Blacks = street gangs and thugs.

“The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies.”

Blacks = rioters and robbers.

“They’re 12 percent of the population. Who the hell cares?”

Blacks = an unimportant underclass not to be considered.

[To an African American female caller]: “Take that bone out of your nose and call me back.”

Can't get much more racist than that.

Then there is Rush using race to disparage and attack the President of the United States:

"Barack the Magic Negro"
"Halfrican American"
"Affirmative action candidate"
“We need segregated buses… This is Obama’s America.”
“Obama’s entire economic program is reparations”

[timmgirvan]

you are seriously obsessed with Rush! Wouldn't he let you into the Dittohead Club?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Global politics(we keep losing friends) Health reform(even CBO says it's unsustainable) Shovel-ready jobs(Bwahahaha) I could go on...but it's late. Oh...and don't forget that unemployment is at record highs,still

Global politics(we keep losing friends) - ??? Obama has gained back alot of respect for the US with the rest of the world. What "friends" have we lost?

Health reform - sorry, getting 33 million Americans insured is GOOD for the country, and the CBO says it will cut the deficit by 1.2 trillion.

"Shovel-ready jobs" - I pass one every day here in Lexington.

You could go on, but you got nothing.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

you are seriously obsessed with Rush! Wouldn't he let you into the Dittohead Club?

Obsessed? No. I'm seriously concerned about a public radio figure who has degenerated over the years from expressing conservative views to spewing hate and racism over public airways.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I asked you because I truly wondered. If you want to "pigeonhole" me with whatever dregs you consider to be evil, that's up to you. I don't need techniques to silence you...you can say your peace and be done with it,but probably not.

Timm, if that's what was in your heart when you asked, I can only take your word for it. For future reference, please don't *ever* assume that I'm speaking for anyone but myself, whether I'm offering up thoughts or questions...I don't speak for anyone greater than myself, and I'll continue to assume with you, like I assume about every individual, that their words are meant to only speak for themselves, rather than for some group they may or may not belong to.

And it's not "pigeonholing" you to say that you're privileged. I'm ridiculously privileged myself, just perhaps less so than you, but that's not a dig. Recognizing that is important to me, and I'm very well aware of the areas in which I'm privileged, and it's not pigeonholing me to realize them. However, my point in that last paragraph is that privileged groups very often do use silencing tactics, and they aren't even aware of it. I've done it in the past, you did it earlier in this thread. It's a no harm, no foul situation if people are willing to examine it, but I've found that most people are not willing to examine it and are happier going blissfully along reaping the benefits of their privilege while silencing others based on their lack of it, which is what you more or less did earlier in this thread by making it sound like if only I wasn't such a hysterical queer, I wouldn't make an analogy using gay people, despite the fact that said analogy was perfectly apt, and still hasn't been refuted.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Global politics(we keep losing friends) - ??? Obama has gained back alot of respect for the US with the rest of the world. What "friends" have we lost?

Health reform - sorry, getting 33 million Americans insured is GOOD for the country, and the CBO says it will cut the deficit by 1.2 trillion.

"Shovel-ready jobs" - I pass one every day here in Lexington.

You could go on, but you got nothing.

787 billion and you see a job on the way to work! And I got nothing?

France,Britain,Israel,Turkey,Afghanistan,Australia have serious problems with us,and our "New Attitude"
If you choose to believe that we're saving 1.2 tril, I've got some land to sell ya. Face it,Riot...you gone over to the dark side.