Taking nothing away from Summer, but QR ran huge

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Hi I bought this filly for X million and now I should race her where she is less likely to succeed because if she was able to succeed it would be more impressive then if she succeeds on a G1 level against males at several distances and tracks.. Makes perfect sense to me

hey if you want to talk the talk...

[Cannon Shell]

The ironic part is that in all other sports discussing critical/controversial aspects of said sport is not only kosher but encouraged. In horse racing people seem to prefer to be fed drivel regardless of the truth or facts presented. Jackson certainly took some chances this year (though as i have said many times taking chances in races where your horse is physically 100% and you are 3/5 is hardly a long chance) but he needs to continue to challenge the filly. Horse racing is a great sport when the best horses race against each other. Pretty much everyone now campaigns top horses as though they are college football teams. Play a schedule just tough enough that it wont kill you but dont take many real chances till the bowl game. You cant tell how great a team is by them beating Temple by 50. Sure you need a soft touch every now and then but play the best teams.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

hey if you want to talk the talk...

Will see maybe 3 more like her in our lifetime..Sit back and enjoy, you might be in depends with kaka in your pants the next time you see one this good. It's hard enough to finish in the money at Hoosier park and I am not knocking that at all..In fact I think its awesome. Watching a filly crush the "bottom challenged" Belmont winner and then run on her 8th track in 7 months against older G1 horses is really amazing. You can't expect a 3 year old filly to be a 4 year old Dr Fager. She walked the walked and she beat the crap of them

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The ironic part is that in all other sports discussing critical/controversial aspects of said sport is not only kosher but encouraged. In horse racing people seem to prefer to be fed drivel regardless of the truth or facts presented. Jackson certainly took some chances this year (though as i have said many times taking chances in races where your horse is physically 100% and you are 3/5 is hardly a long chance) but he needs to continue to challenge the filly. Horse racing is a great sport when the best horses race against each other. Pretty much everyone now campaigns top horses as though they are college football teams. Play a schedule just tough enough that it wont kill you but dont take many real chances till the bowl game. You cant tell how great a team is by them beating Temple by 50. Sure you need a soft touch every now and then but play the best teams.

This 3/5 argument is horrendous.. Were did you want her to play the Travers..She would have crushed it was a much softer race then the Woodward.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The ironic part is that in all other sports discussing critical/controversial aspects of said sport is not only kosher but encouraged. In horse racing people seem to prefer to be fed drivel regardless of the truth or facts presented. Jackson certainly took some chances this year (though as i have said many times taking chances in races where your horse is physically 100% and you are 3/5 is hardly a long chance) but he needs to continue to challenge the filly. Horse racing is a great sport when the best horses race against each other. Pretty much everyone now campaigns top horses as though they are college football teams. Play a schedule just tough enough that it wont kill you but dont take many real chances till the bowl game. You cant tell how great a team is by them beating Temple by 50. Sure you need a soft touch every now and then but play the best teams.

She would have crushed this JCGC.. Summer Bird is a plodder she would have ripped his heart out and some slug would have sucked up in his place.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by freddymo

She would have crushed this JCGC.. Summer Bird is a plodder she would have ripped his heart out and some slug would have sucked up in his place.

I think Gio Ponti is a higher Grade plodder.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The ironic part is that in all other sports discussing critical/controversial aspects of said sport is not only kosher but encouraged. In horse racing people seem to prefer to be fed drivel regardless of the truth or facts presented. Jackson certainly took some chances this year (though as i have said many times taking chances in races where your horse is physically 100% and you are 3/5 is hardly a long chance) but he needs to continue to challenge the filly. Horse racing is a great sport when the best horses race against each other. Pretty much everyone now campaigns top horses as though they are college football teams. Play a schedule just tough enough that it wont kill you but dont take many real chances till the bowl game. You cant tell how great a team is by them beating Temple by 50. Sure you need a soft touch every now and then but play the best teams.

Freddy obviously prefers the Temple by 50 scenario.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by CSC

Freddy obviously prefers the Temple by 50 scenario.

I'm sure he and the other soothsayers who know with absolute certainty who would have won each race had they run believe in the If A beats B and B beats C then A must be better than C theory.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Summer Bird ran much, much better in my opinion. Quality Road should have had plenty left at the end given the slow pace.

i agree, it was another race where he gallops away. watch the last 50 yards or so. that race really is never close. summer bird is probably the best horse around right now, depending how he handles the poly track will be another question. he looked the part saturday in the post parade, he was clearly the best looking animal. he did not race until march and gets bigger and faster each time out. at 10 furlongs on the dirt, i don't see who can beat him. quality road seems to race better at shorter distances, so far 10 furlongs have not been his liking. i thought he could have the lead easily saturday and he did. but he had no fight at the end.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'm sure he and the other soothsayers who know with absolute certainty who would have won each race had they run believe in the If A beats B and B beats C then A must be better than C theory.

She is vastly superior to Summer Bird.. Remember she would have been 2/5 not that her odds mean anything other then the public betting perception, but you seem to like to speak of there signifiacnce. Summer Bird is a nice colt who seems to thrive in the slop. His big race on a fast track is the Belmont (where I bet him), it was hardly heart stopping. I agree that I would expect his dirt form to improve(get faster) then his just do enough Belmont. He is the horse with question marks not Rachel. You want to suggest that he is a 120 BSF horse at 10f's on a dry track? I doubt it. Rachel on the other hand could very well be such an animal.

So if A falls I guess B-Z could be greater.
Summer Bird couldn't have done to Rachel what he did in the slop to QR because his legs or heart would have exploded trying to range up and get to her. So that means someone else has to soften her up so that maybe his plodding self can catch her late. If it didn't happen in the Preakness it was going to happen in this years JCGC. Now you think Summer Bird who was trounced in the Haskell is going to find 8 lengths where in Rick Mettee's medicine chest?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

i agree, it was another race where he gallops away. watch the last 50 yards or so. that race really is never close. summer bird is probably the best horse around right now, depending how he handles the poly track will be another question. he looked the part saturday in the post parade, he was clearly the best looking animal. he did not race until march and gets bigger and faster each time out. at 10 furlongs on the dirt, i don't see who can beat him. quality road seems to race better at shorter distances, so far 10 furlongs have not been his liking. i thought he could have the lead easily saturday and he did. but he had no fight at the end.

I see no reason to believe Rachel wouldn't have won that race when fit, especially with that pace scenario.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by freddymo

This 3/5 argument is horrendous.. Were did you want her to play the Travers..She would have crushed it was a much softer race then the Woodward.

it was? thats funny, macho got crushed saturday. the horse i saw was praying for the wire in the woodward.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

it was? thats funny, macho got crushed saturday. the horse i saw was praying for the wire in the woodward.

Hmmm...could that have been because in the Woodward, a closer was given a brutal pace to close into, while in the JCGC he was given no pace at all?

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I see no reason to believe Rachel wouldn't have won that race when fit, especially with that pace scenario.

i'll make a prediction. she will never race 10 furlongs against the boys. if she does it will be the time she loses.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

i'll make a prediction. she will never race 10 furlongs against the boys. if she does it will be the time she loses.

Good luck with that. Thanks for not answering the question.