Most Impressive Horse of the day

[Cannon Shell]

1.5 million for that filly is WAY above market value for her in this market. She won a restricted, non graded stakes beating absolutely nothing but Calder based maiden breakers. The most recent beyers for the field were 48,44, 55, 48, 47, 53, and 54. She was a tick faster than a maiden race a few races earlier and ran almost identical fractions and final time as the colts division later in the card. While there are those here that are much more qualified to discuss times, speed figures, etc. she didnt appear to run all that fast to warrant a 1.5 million dollar offer. While she is by a very hot sire, her female family is undistinguished. If she were to get hurt and never run or win again she is worth about 150k as a BM.

And there are very few fillies ever bought in the 3 million dollar range as yearlings.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

1.5 million for that filly is WAY above market value for her in this market. She won a restricted, non graded stakes beating absolutely nothing but Calder based maiden breakers. The most recent beyers for the field were 48,44, 55, 48, 47, 53, and 54. She was a tick faster than a maiden race a few races earlier and ran almost identical fractions and final time as the colts division later in the card. While there are those here that are much more qualified to discuss times, speed figures, etc. she didnt appear to run all that fast to warrant a 1.5 million dollar offer. While she is by a very hot sire, her female family is undistinguished. If she were to get hurt and never run or win again she is worth about 150k as a BM.

And there are very few fillies ever bought in the 3 million dollar range as yearlings.

Well Jess hit the bid and the industry now has 1.5 million more dollars invested into it. True there aren't a ton of 3 mil dollar gals sold as yearlings in 2009 but in 05 - 08 there were a few I think.What's the difference the hammer price is a joke anyway. The point isn't the 1.5mil its 1.5 for a runner vs. 1.5 for a dream. You know Chuck Jess has done OK overpaying in the past. Plus does it really friggin matter "IF" she was sold for 800k or 1.5 mil in the scheme of Jess Jacksons life in 2009? I know of a owner who sold a modestly bred filly to Lael for 1 mil plus after she won a non grade turf stakes. She has gone on to win a few Graded races and is a very nice runner. I am not sure it was a good deal or a bad deal for Lael I just know it was an offer that worked for both parties. Repping that Jess overpaid is easy today. the same way you can say a sports team overpays to try and win a championship by giving up more talented young players with bright futures for more established stars. Basically if the horse goes on to do well he didn't over pay a penny, and if the horse stinks he lost a little more then he should have. Who thought Curlin was Curlin when they paid 3 mil?

Oh no. Please don't do it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Well Jess hit the bid and the industry now has 1.5 million more dollars invested into it. True there aren't a ton of 3 mil dollar gals sold as yearlings in 2009 but in 05 - 08 there were a few I think.What's the difference the hammer price is a joke anyway. The point isn't the 1.5mil its 1.5 for a runner vs. 1.5 for a dream. You know Chuck Jess has done OK overpaying in the past. Plus does it really friggin matter "IF" she was sold for 800k or 1.5 mil in the scheme of Jess Jacksons life in 2009? I know of a owner who sold a modestly bred filly to Lael for 1 mil plus after she won a non grade turf stakes. She has gone on to win a few Graded races and is a very nice runner. I am not sure it was a good deal or a bad deal for Lael I just know it was an offer that worked for both parties. Repping that Jess overpaid is easy today. the same way you can say a sports team overpays to try and win a championship by giving up more talented young players with bright futures for more established stars. Basically if the horse goes on to do well he didn't over pay a penny, and if the horse stinks he lost a little more then he should have. Who thought Curlin was Curlin when they paid 3 mil?

Though alot of what you said is true, this filly is not a bargin at this price regardless of who bought her. Jackson has enough money to spend way more than 1.5 million on 100 horses but that still doent make it a good price except for the seller.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Though alot of what you said is true, this filly is not a bargin at this price regardless of who bought her. Jackson has enough money to spend way more than 1.5 million on 100 horses but that still doent make it a good price except for the seller.

If the filly sucks at least we have a shot that some of that 1.5 gets back into the game. I am always happy when people overpay for stock. I would imagine someonemight have bid at least 1 mil for them to get Jackson to pay 1.5. So the delta is 500k again in the scheme of Jess 2009 what the heck does 500k mean. You think he is thinking about if he overpaid by 500k. It's all same if you by a filly of 10k or you ante up and get her for 15k whats the difference if you can afford it and have the money.

Of course they over paid the only bargins are the 40k claimers that Marty changes the shoes on "IN FLORIDA" and get to win BC races lol

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

If the filly sucks at least we have a shot that some of that 1.5 gets back into the game. I am always happy when people overpay for stock. I would imagine someonemight have bid at least 1 mil for them to get Jackson to pay 1.5. So the delta is 500k again in the scheme of Jess 2009 what the heck does 500k mean. You think he is thinking about if he overpaid by 500k. It's all same if you by a filly of 10k or you ante up and get her for 15k whats the difference if you can afford it and have the money.

Of course they over paid the only bargins are the 40k claimers that Marty changes the shoes on "IN FLORIDA" and get to win BC races lol

It doesnt make that much difference and it is nice that a smaller outfit can make a score on a homebred.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

She was RNA'd for $65,000 as a yearling.

[MISTERGEE]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

remember this name --Dashing Debby==
winner of 2yo stake at crc

wow, you didnt have to remember the name for long. that performance not only caught my eye I guess. who knows if she will end up being worth the 1.5 mill, but when you have that much $ and you really want something what the hell is the difference. I bet new life farms is happy!

[MISTERGEE]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

1.5 million for that filly is WAY above market value for her in this market. She won a restricted, non graded stakes beating absolutely nothing but Calder based maiden breakers. The most recent beyers for the field were 48,44, 55, 48, 47, 53, and 54. She was a tick faster than a maiden race a few races earlier and ran almost identical fractions and final time as the colts division later in the card. While there are those here that are much more qualified to discuss times, speed figures, etc. she didnt appear to run all that fast to warrant a 1.5 million dollar offer. While she is by a very hot sire, her female family is undistinguished. If she were to get hurt and never run or win again she is worth about 150k as a BM.

And there are very few fillies ever bought in the 3 million dollar range as yearlings.

she ended up running an 87 beyer with relative ease, and I also thought her broodmare had thrown a few decent ones