Father's Day - Playalong

[hockey2315]

I'd do something like that. If someone were willing to serve as a middle man for the picks each week that would be better.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by CSC

Has Nakatani lost his touch or what? I wonder when will he realize he can't live on his past reputation forever. It can't get much lower when you are schooled by the Marty Garcia.

BTW I didn't have a bet on Corey either.

Damn, Bro

I wouldn't bet Chinese money on Corey. Where've you been.

Nakatani
Flores
Espinoza

You could get a bunch of octogenarian crack heads together and they'd give you better rides than these bums.

[hockey2315]

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30370

[CSC]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Damn, Bro

I wouldn't bet Chinese money on Corey. Where've you been.

Nakatani
Flores
Espinoza

You could get a bunch of octogenarian crack heads together and they'd give you better rides than these bums.

They're dreadful, no clocks in their heads and no punch down the lane either.

Victor has given me good rides and I think he shouldn't be lumped in with these 2 turds, I'm going to throw in Husbands also, I thought his ride in the Plate was just dreadful, for a supposed top jock he has given TT the farthest trips in her 2 last races as Trackus will no doubt confirm. Check out her races from Wdb, Keeneland, and SA, the worst luck of any horse running today.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by CSC

They're dreadful, no clocks in their heads and no punch down the lane either.

Victor has given me good rides and I think he shouldn't be lumped in with these 2 turds, I'm going to throw in Husbands also, I thought his ride in the Plate was just dreadful, for a supposed top jock he has given TT the farthest trips in her 2 last races as Trackus will no doubt confirm. Check out her races from Wdb, Keeneland, and SA, the worst luck of any horse running today.

In my opinion not only should Victor be lumped in to the group, but he's the head turd. For some reason I always expect more from him and he constantly dissapoints me on a regular basis. I also have no problem with Flores and believe that you can find much bigger turds in that group than him.

[NTamm1215]

I know he's taken a lot of heat from Fats but Rosario is improving every day. He's become a much better finisher and seems to be judging the pace exceptionally well.

NT

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I know he's taken a lot of heat from Fats but Rosario is improving every day. He's become a much better finisher and seems to be judging the pace exceptionally well.

NT

Yet there was a day last week when he broke apart two races by moving too soon. Joel looks good when you compare him to the rest of the colony out there. When compared to Gomez or Bejarano (clearly the best out there presently), he's a poor third.

What's a real shame is that a good understanding of trips on AW tracks is like money in the bank. (This is why it puzzles me that very good trip handicappers, like BTW, for example, waste their time playing dirt.) It's all about WHEN you move on these surfaces, and a jock with patience can overcome just about any pace scenario. This is a phenomenal statement given the commonly accepted notion that pace makes the race.

Unfortunately, Vic is, at best, a competent race watcher/interpreter and while Rosario might improve his physical skills, it's doubtful he'll get any better in terms of timing. Which means it'll probably always be what it is with Joel when it come to judging the setup: a COIN FLIP.

Not meaning to be critical, just my opinion.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

In my opinion not only should Victor be lumped in to the group, but he's the head turd. For some reason I always expect more from him and he constantly dissapoints me on a regular basis. I also have no problem with Flores and believe that you can find much bigger turds in that group than him.

I see Victor being lumped into a group that is the second best option when you get past Gomez and Bejarano.

In that group currently also are Solis, Rosario, and T Baze.

Then there is a further drop off to a third level. The Smokin Joe Talamo's, just what he's smoking is anyone's guess, the Martin Pedroza's, Martin Garcia's, Micheal Baze's.

The turd section is somewhat interesting, to me it's reserved for substandard riders that are living off their past reputations but still get bet, Nakatani fits as does Flores and or perhaps Valdivia(though he is an underrated turf rider). These guys have the ability but for whatever reason they rarely deliver on a consistent basis.

I will always bet a horse if I like him or her first regardless of the rider, however if that consists of having a turd as part of the package then the thought process for me is the odds should be higher not lower. In the case of Nakatani or Flores the odds will most likely be lower which is why I would rather have someone else aboard, a no name.