Talamo

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I wouldn't disagree with that.

However, there is no way you could pin the Derby loss on Day.

the ride in the preakness could have been the all time worse by an experinced jock in a big time race on the best horse in the history of the game... chop chop would have won that day fir shug , simply unexcusibile

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

How could Talamo lose the ride after today? That's ridiculous.

for once we agree , i thought it was a great ride , this was the type of race that ramon wouldn't have won on but talamo did

ramon would have found more trouble and finished 3rd cuse he ain't that good

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by gales0678

for once we agree , i thought it was a great ride , this was the type of race that ramon wouldn't have won on but talamo did

ramon would have found more trouble and finished 3rd cuse he ain't that good

I just don't think that's possible.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I thought the horse ran huge today. Talamo also did a great job not panicking either and put the horse in a position where he could win. But I also think that he didn't have any pressure on him either. IWR's ticket was already punched for Kentucky and Talamo was able to just sit back and relax and see how the race unfolded. I wonder if he would have ridden any different if they went in to the race know that they needed to win it.

I agree with you 1000% -- Talamo showed calm and cool, and he didn't panic at all. Many times you see it and when you see it you know it. It is certainly different sitting in the saddle than it is in the grandstand. Regardless, I am not a huge fan of his, but I think today he showed a maturity when the heat was on.

So, as you said, the ticket was punched. However, I am not so sure it would played out that way. That colt gets beat today because he never gets out, maybe the kid gets a bit shaky when he's in tight, etc. -- now do the connections have something to talk about? Taking him inside? Second guessing? The "no pressure" ride -- I don't think it's that simple.

Eric

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I just don't that's possible.

You're right.

I think Herberto Castillo could have come out of retirement and won on him. Forget Dominguez .. who is an excellent jock.

[Rootdog1]

was it a great ride or just a great horse????....either way, you cant take him off. he did show patience for the first half...credit to him.

[JJP]

Originally Posted by gales0678

[QUOTE=The Indomitable DrugS]I prefer a jockey with a long record of good rides in pressure situations - you can have all the 19 yo's you want who made a big name for themselves by losing at double the takeout from over 300 dirt mounts at FG.

I guess if I didn't have some mix of $20 and $5 future book exactas at fixed odds with IWR over QR, IC, OF, WSB, field and Patena ... I wouldn't much care who rides him.

ask shug how he felt having the most expeinced jock and the best horse and losing 2/3 of the TC to a inferior horse[/quote]

By the way, Sunday Silence beat him 3 out of the 4 times they faced off......Easy Goer's only win over him was at the irrelevant (for dirt) 12 furlong distance.

[Indian Charlie]

Did I really just read that Victor Espinoza is the most physically gifted jockey ever?

I thought that was Studart, but ok.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Do not mock my latent homosexuality.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

No doubt he gained a lot from this race ... he took a whole lot of dirt and kickback and everything else.

Gryder just won the Dubai World Cup by 14 - so even mediocre jocks can stumble into perfect trips and they do. He just seems a little higher percentage to screw it and he's overrated from a performance versus expectation standpoint according to the numbers.

Or mediocre horses can get the golden trip , and have a rider that knew how to use it.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by gales0678

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ask shug how he felt having the most expeinced jock and the best horse and losing 2/3 of the TC to a inferior horse

I laughed

[pick4]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Thankfully the world doesn't always work that way.

I would love to know, however, how Stewart Elliot was chosen for West Side Bernie ( not that he should have won ) while Ramon was left sitting in the room.

While there's no room for argument when debating the merits of Ramon Dominguez and Stewart Elliot. I can only think of threes point that Breen was thinking.

1. Look at the pp's and see the J/c Combo. While just about all those wins were in NJ, they have had success together.

2. He trusts the Stewart and know that he will honour is committment to ride in the Derby.

3. He had an agreement with Elliot to ride two horses and was not going to boot him.

The good thing about the Wood is the best horse won the race. I Want Revenge had to overcome a tough trip and regardless of the quality of this field, he ran a heck of a race.

[pick4]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Did I really just read that Victor Espinoza is the most physically gifted jockey ever?

I thought that was Studart, but ok.

Victor Espinoza is the best final card jockey around. He came within a bob of winning today and wins more than his fair share of finales.

[PPerfectfan]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Rode an overrated horse

Could not have said it better myself!! REally people are shocked she got beat?? I am amazed!

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by pick4

Did you watch the start of the Excelsior?

Yes. It was hard to ignore.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by ELA

So, as you said, the ticket was punched. However, I am not so sure it would played out that way. That colt gets beat today because he never gets out, maybe the kid gets a bit shaky when he's in tight, etc. -- now do the connections have something to talk about? Taking him inside? Second guessing? The "no pressure" ride -- I don't think it's that simple.

Eric

That's a very valid point, but also in this situation (with the jockey only being 19) they might be having these discussions anyway. And I'm guessing that the phone will probably ring a few times in the next couple of weeks to see how committed they are to Talamo.
I hope he keeps the mount. I think Andy said it best on the MSG show/feed. When he said that we all just saw something very special. I think he was right, that's one of those trips/races that people will remember/be talking about for years to come.

[SOREHOOF]

I was shocked Hooh Why was 24:1. Only race I hit all day.Had that nice exacta too. I thought Talamo gave quite the gutsy heads up ride. Smith rode Stardom Bound the same way he always does, she just came up short.She wasn't going to beat Rachel in KY anyway but if you still like SB you might get better odds now.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Wow. Smith's a choker? Tough crowd!

What did he do wrong?

its a common theme on these sites. a horse loses and its the jockeys fault (ESPECIALLY CHALK). forget about the horses talent or its training which is about 95% of the races result, its always the jockey! every week some big fav loses and its garaunteed there will be a thread blaming the ride. the guy (girl) weighs a hundred and something wet and the horse weighs half a ton but folks think these people are driving cars with steering wheels and gas pedals. forget the fact that things happen in a race that are unpredictable(the wood yesterday) or the horse just is not trained enough to do the right thing. but heres the most important factor, your chalk eating pic just was not good enough on the day of the race. its a game, sometimes you win, sometimes you don't. get on a horse and ride a race, come back and tell me how easy it was to win ! that takes alot more balls then coming on here and crying about the ride.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Centeno rode at Monmouth last year. He is no kid, I believe he is 37 or 38 years old.

I think he also rode at Finger Lakes for a time also. I like him, he's a pretty solid rider, the times I've seen him go head to head with what some would call A list riders he didn't look out of place at all. He's got the same presence as Lezcano when he was leading rider at Tampa.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Thankfully the world doesn't always work that way.

I would love to know, however, how Stewart Elliot was chosen for West Side Bernie ( not that he should have won ) while Ramon was left sitting in the room.

Or Migliore.