Note to Garret Gomez

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by GPK

not the first, nor last time I will be called nutty.

i wasn't calling you nutty gpk.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

i wasn't calling you nutty gpk.

well...why not???

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by GPK

well...why not???

oh i don't know.... something about the pot and the kettle I would say.

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

Now you know 2. Most west coast riders (and Garret is a grad of the SoCal penal colony)can't tell time so there is no need to know what a clock is. You can ask them about Pace and they think Salsa.

When he had the bug he frigge- was riding Timonium for goodness sakes and that a fact! Look it up.

Thats The State Fair Meet In Maryland

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

he was inhaled nearing the wire by a couple horses after running the race fairly close to some swift fractions, he made his move on the turn and tried to steal it but fell short. he got all he could have out of that horse and I think faulting the ride is a little nutty.

ArlJim it sounds like you actually looked at the race. Whereas Scuds just sees it as another chance to explain why the leading money-winning rider in the country "obviously" has no brains. Gomez must be the luckiest guy in the world, according to Scuds and oracle. No other way to explain an idiot leading the other 500 riders.

--Dunbar

Rup he would have held 3rd. Its not a major big deal to the connections, but it is to anyone who keyed supers or tris.
My position on Gomez has always been the same, and continues to be now. Incredibly strong and agile and incredibly stupid on a horse very often. Does not "handicap" the rest of the fields he rides agaisnt and is pathetically unaware and out of sync with prevailing biases much of the time.
Rupert you keep knocking Prados strength down the lane and seem amazed that he is a leading rider. Strength and talent alone won't win races, you need a brain.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Rup he would have held 3rd. Its not a major big deal to the connections, but it is to anyone who keyed supers or tris.
My position on Gomez has always been the same, and continues to be now. Incredibly strong and agile and incredibly stupid on a horse very often. Does not "handicap" the rest of the fields he rides agaisnt and is pathetically unaware and out of sync with prevailing biases much of the time.
Rupert you keep knocking Prados strength down the lane and seem amazed that he is a leading rider. Strength and talent alone won't win races, you need a brain.

I don't think Prado is nearly as atheltic as many of the other top riders but he's obviously a good rider. He also seems to be pretty cool under presssure in the big races and that is obviously very important.

Where do you rank Gomez overall back East. It sounds like you would take JV or Prado over him. Do you think that Gomez is the 3rd best rider back there overall?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

"leading money-winning rider in the country "




This seems to be the get out of jail card for every bad decision the guy ever makes.Like I said,he gave these 3 chalks(Kewen,Sigfreto,and TM Bling)totally f'd up rides,because he keeps horses in an awful position,and the other guys keep him in the trouble that he gets into (with his own poor decision-making.)What were these 3 horses...7/5,3/5,and 6/5.He is a good play on the medium to high priced horses.Anything he rides with odds that have a 5 in the bottom of the fraction(5 as denominator,)I don't want.Keep that sht.If I like the horse,I'll skip the race.I haven't mentioned him f'n up anything since TM BLING.That's cuz I haven't played him since then.Problem solved.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I don't think Prado is nearly as atheltic as many of the other top riders but he's obviously a good rider. He also seems to be pretty cool under presssure in the big races and that is obviously very important.

Where do you rank Gomez overall back East. It sounds like you would take JV or Prado over him. Do you think that Gomez is the 3rd best rider back there overall?

I simply don't put him in Johnny or Edgar's class. I think those two have their own league. I put him a group with Castellano and Coa and Bejarano as the next tier.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

"leading money-winning rider in the country "




This seems to be the get out of jail card for every bad decision the guy ever makes.Like I said,he gave these 3 chalks(Kewen,Sigfreto,and TM Bling)totally f'd up rides,because he keeps horses in an awful position,and the other guys keep him in the trouble that he gets into (with his own poor decision-making.)What were these 3 horses...7/5,3/5,and 6/5.He is a good play on the medium to high priced horses.Anything he rides with odds that have a 5 in the bottom of the fraction(5 as denominator,)I don't want.Keep that sht.If I like the horse,I'll skip the race.I haven't mentioned him f'n up anything since TM BLING.That's cuz I haven't played him since then.Problem solved.

Every rider out there has blown a ton of races. The good riders simply blow less rides than the other jocks. Victor Espinoza is a great rider. I've seen him give a few really bad rides this year that cost his horses races. That doesn't mean he's not a great rider. He's given some really bad rides but he's still in the top 5 best riders in the country. He'll give some bad rides once in a while, but he gives less bad rides than 99% of the other guys.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Every rider out there has blown a ton of races. The good riders simply blow less rides than the other jocks. Victor Espinoza is a great rider. I've seen him give a few really bad rides this year that cost his horses races. That doesn't mean he's not a great rider. He's given some really bad rides but he's still in the top 5 best riders in the country. He'll give some bad rides once in a while, but he gives less bad rides than 99% of the other guys.

Rupert I think that he truly stands out as one of the most talented riders I ever saw who simply gives worse than bad rides on occasion. he gives simply astonishing bad rides on occasion. real head scratchers where you just can't figure out what was going through his mind.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

People say he isn't dumb,but he mainly makes the same exact mistake(bad spot..stays there..other jocks lock him down tight....guys who played him get their balls in a f'n glass jar.)See,if a person keeps making the same mistake,then some people would call that person stupid(and the mistake would be called a stupid mistake.)

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

People say he isn't dumb,but he mainly makes the same exact mistake(bad spot..stays there..other jocks lock him down tight....guys who played him get their balls in a f'n glass jar.)See,if a person keeps making the same mistake,then some people would call that person stupid(and the mistake would be called a stupid mistake.)

I have to agree with scuds. Riding "your style" is one thing. But to consistently make the same mistake over and over again is just incredible. He seems to think that he has a right to slide into a hole or that one will always open up for him. In Ny thats just not gonna be the case most of the time. Guys ride for keeps here.

[Gander]

I watched that replay of race 10 again this morning and second that. Gomez rode his horse out and got beat for 2nd and 3rd. Have I ever seen a jockey try harder for 2nd and 3rd than Gomez did in that spot? Heck yes. Watch Jorge Chavez if you want to see the definition of riding a horse out. But Gomez did not just concede 2nd and 3rd spots. No way.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Guys, he didn't stop riding yesterday. I was at the finish line and I just watched the replay a few times. I think with all jockey's period you could give a ton of examples of bad rides. That's just how it is. Prado's ride on Songster was definitely questionable. Johnny V on Vig on Saturday. I personally don't think he is with Prado, who's so consistent it's scary, or Johnny V who is immensly talented. But he isn't far off, and his presence in the East has done nothing but help prices on the other two guys I think.

Read my horror show beat on Vig. Worst ride Johnny has given in years up here. That was indeed a nightmare.
Da Hoss if you are in town why not stop over at Steves BB stand and say hello to some of us? WIll you be there today. Its always nice to meet other trailers.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by Raysva

When he had the bug he frigge- was riding Timonium for goodness sakes and that a fact! Look it up.

When he got out of jail he was in California. Don't care where he rode with his bug, he developed his riding skills in California. They still call the #5 lane turning for the Gomez Lane. Look it up! That's a fact.

My opinion on the guy hasn't changed one bit and its not like I want to have that opinion about him. I'd much rather he just put some polish on his already immense physical skills with some mental work on what the prevailing bias is and knowledge of his own horses' tendencies as well as the others in the race.
Yeah Edgar isnt strong as a bull but he always knows where he is supposed to be with a horse. Johnny is the same way. They also keep tabs on their main opponents in the race and where they are (kinda like The Breeders Cup Sprint when Gomez went for that hole and Prado said where do you think you are going jagoff?). Its splitting hairs when you start talking about things this detailed but in order for him to join Johhny and Edgar as the absolute best he simply has to learn that he does not have a liscense to get the rail move every time and that sometimes you need to send a horse and get an advantage if thats how the race shapes up instead of just grabbing and riding like he prefers to ride.

[Crown@club]

To me he's been Jeckell and Hyde. Lately a lot of Jeckelling out there.

I know but the guy can really drive you to drink. One race he looks so great you are in awe, the next hes boxed inside on a dead rail and you wanna tear your DRF into a thousand pieces of confetti.