Obama's Speech

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Do you really believe that he is capable of doing EVERYTHING he said? He has all these ideas AND HE IS GOING TO LOWER TAXES too. Does he know about secret Nazi gold under the White House? Everything is Change. Why doesn't he explain how he is going to fund Change. Foreign Policy can be another thread.
He was also Preching alot at the end of the speech. Jessie Jackson, MLK type preching, that I do not think will go over very well in certain parts of the country.

of course not but that is not what this is about IMO.....it has to first be established that he is electable and tonight I would say yes!!

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Do you really believe that he is capable of doing EVERYTHING he said? He has all these ideas AND HE IS GOING TO LOWER TAXES too. Does he know about secret Nazi gold under the White House? Everything is Change. Why doesn't he explain how he is going to fund Change. Foreign Policy can be another thread.
He was also Preching alot at the end of the speech. Jessie Jackson, MLK type preching, that I do not think will go over very well in certain parts of the country.

Would you be making those comparisions if he wasnt half black? Personally, i didnt see it as "preaching". I saw it as almost conversational.

How many presidential candidates DONT make a million promises? Was he supposed to be any different? I am still in the process of trying to read George H.W's lips.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Would you be making those comparisions if he wasnt half black? Personally, i didnt see it as "preaching". I saw it as almost conversational.

How many presidential candidates DONT make a million promises? Was he supposed to be any different? I am still in the process of trying to read George H.W's lips.

First thing is I will admit that he is very well spoken. As far as the black preching thing goes, the answer is a little yes and a little no. It was a cross of being at a Bruce Springsteen concert (when he does that whole preching bit during one of his songs {not a big enough fan to tell you which one}). And from what goes on in church. Also the whole Jeremiah Wright is still in the back of my mind. I still don't think that we have seen the last of that. He did only seemed to do it during the last couple of minutes of his speech.
I will also say that I wouldn't have a problem with a black President or VP. I think that Condi Rice could be an excellent runing mate for Mccain.
But as far as Oboma goes I just don't think he has any substance, or maybe he is saving all the details for late in the game. But it seemed to me that John Kerry had more detailed plans and he still ended up with the short end of the stick.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

First thing is I will admit that he is very well spoken. As far as the black preching thing goes, the answer is a little yes and a little no. It was a cross of being at a Bruce Springsteen concert (when he does that whole preching bit during one of his songs {not a big enough fan to tell you which one}). And from what goes on in church. Also the whole Jeremiah Wright is still in the back of my mind. I still don't think that we have seen the last of that. He did only seemed to do it during the last couple of minutes of his speech.
I will also say that I wouldn't have a problem with a black President or VP. I think that Condi Rice could be an excellent runing mate for Mccain.
But as far as Oboma goes I just don't think he has any substance, or maybe he is saving all the details for late in the game. But it seemed to me that John Kerry had more detailed plans and he still ended up with the short end of the stick.

I like your take. Very honest!

I think he knows, just like all candidates, that being realistic doesnt get you elected. Being "realistic" would require him to say "look, its going to take us at least four years to get us out of this mess that our economy is in".

Certainly not inspiring.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I like your take. Very honest!

I think he knows, just like all candidates, that being realistic doesnt get you elected. Being "realistic" would require him to say "look, its going to take us at least four years to get us out of this mess that our economy is in".

Certainly not inspiring.

But wouldn't that be maybe the biggest CHANGE people could ask for. The TRUTH! Otherwise he is just being another politician.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

But wouldn't that be maybe the biggest CHANGE people could ask for. The TRUTH! Otherwise he is just being another politician.

Idealistically, yes. But he will be able to do more good with his ideas/ideals in office than not. The Truth is a one way ticket to not being elected.

Part of McCain's problem is that he is being too honest about Iraq. Anyone with a brain knows that Obama cant get those troops out that quickly.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by docicu3

It is what candidates do at conventions but somehow this guy was able to bring it to a level beyond the typical BS. He had some really catchy lines ala Andrew Shepard played by Michael Douglas in

"The American President.....Bob Rumson's (John McCain's) problem is that he just doesn't get it" In this case McCain doesn't get what it means to be middle class".

This guy actually is "Presidential" without being overly pretentious tonight...I hadn't seen his talking points before so I probably got a stronger version but the guy was pretty good.

it was a new and improved laundry list of lofty promises that democrats have offered up since humphrey. government will do everything for you except wipe your ass. he'll track down bin laden, get us of off mideast oil in ten years time without relying heavily on drilling, equal pay for equal work, tax cuts for all, college education for all, an army of hew teachers with higher salaries, more sick days and paid leave, protect social security and pensions, health care for all, jobs to stay in america from now on, address climate change, change americas moral standing, defeat al qaeda and the taliban, prevent iran from getting nuclear weapons, curb russian aggression, etc, ad infinitum. of course it isn't possible, where in his vast resume of accomplishments does one find the faith that he has any clue about how to bring about any of these changes? what has he ever done/acheived other than build a cult following?

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

it was a new and improved laundry list of lofty promises that democrats have offered up since humphrey. government will do everything for you except wipe your ass. he'll track down bin laden, get us of off mideast oil in ten years time without relying heavily on drilling, equal pay for equal work, tax cuts for all, college education for all, health care for all, jobs to stay in america from now on, address climate change, change americas moral standing, defeat al qaeda and the taliban, prevent iran from getting nuclear weapons, curb russian aggression, etc, ad infinitum. of course it isn't possible, where in his vast resume of accomplishments does one find the faith that he has any clue about how to bring about any of these changes? what has he ever done/acheived other than build a cult following?

He is giving you a chance to believe in change in this country and that alone will get my vote as the "ole and in the way" is not getting it done....

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by docicu3

It is what candidates do at conventions but somehow this guy was able to bring it to a level beyond the typical BS. He had some really catchy lines ala Andrew Shepard played by Michael Douglas in

"The American President.....Bob Rumson's (John McCain's) problem is that he just doesn't get it" In this case McCain doesn't get what it means to be middle class".

This guy actually is "Presidential" without being overly pretentious tonight...I hadn't seen his talking points before so I probably got a stronger version but the guy was pretty good.

If I had to describe him in 1 word, it would be "VESSEL."

Communicated tonite better than anyone has in about 12 years. The simplicity of these 6 statements is fantastic. It's exactly the simple communication that works. He simply wasn't this good in the debates. It was a bit long, but it was a terrific speech. Don't kid yourself, if they saw it, people of all political leanings know how good it was. He was really "on" tonite. Anybody who was even considering voting for him is gunna be leaning toward voting for him. People love a confident leader with conviction, and that was there tonite. I didn't realize he could be that good. Time to unleash that guy for more than 1 nite. He's gunna have to keep being that good. Somebody said he was gunna step up like that tonite.

"90% like Bush = a 10% chance of change"

"You are on your own"

"I will cut taxes on 95% of all working families."

" If John McCaine wants to debate the ability to lead etc.."

"Won't even follow him to the cave where he lives"

"So, I got news for you, John McCaine........."

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by GPK

I didn't actually watch, nor will I watch McCain.

You are a very smart man.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by GPK

I didn't actually watch, nor will I watch McCain.

Me either. Up against Sanford & Son.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

it was a new and improved laundry list of lofty promises that democrats have offered up since humphrey. government will do everything for you except wipe your ass. he'll track down bin laden, get us of off mideast oil in ten years time without relying heavily on drilling, equal pay for equal work, tax cuts for all, college education for all, an army of hew teachers with higher salaries, more sick days and paid leave, protect social security and pensions, health care for all, jobs to stay in america from now on, address climate change, change americas moral standing, defeat al qaeda and the taliban, prevent iran from getting nuclear weapons, curb russian aggression, etc, ad infinitum. of course it isn't possible, where in his vast resume of accomplishments does one find the faith that he has any clue about how to bring about any of these changes? what has he ever done/acheived other than build a cult following?

He can't do this stuff, because your party is gunna fight him in Congress.
That's why it isn't possible. You know that, you make it impossible, and then you claim he is the one who can't do it. It's mainly a leadership position. I don't blame Bush for not being able to privatize Social Security. HE DIDN'T HAVE THE VOTES TO DO IT. Not like he didn't want to do it. He didn't fail to do it. He was kept from doing it.

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

Have you considered a career in Congress?

GPK is certainly better than the crap we have to pick from now!

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by docicu3

"The American President.....Bob Rumson's (John McCain's) problem is that he just doesn't get it" In this case McCain doesn't get what it means to be middle class".

here's the exact problem! NO ONE in washington dc OR in your state govt's. know what it is to be middle class.

[steve]

i would rather see billions spent here fixing things than spending billions overseas destoying things

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by steve

i would rather see billions spent here fixing things than spending billions overseas destoying things

okay newbie I'll stand up and salute this one.......

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Agreed. did you notice that even on this site there wasnt a single post commenting on his speech while he was speaking? After it was over, the comments came...immediately after it was over. It is pretty impressive that those that are so sickened and/or bored by the man could sit through a 1 hour speech.

If one were to listen without prejudice or preconceived opinion based on policy or party, one would have to agree that he is a pretty inspirational orator. Or maybe it just seems that way because of what we have had to listen to for the last eight years.

i didn't watch his speech, i played some medieval total war 2 and then went to bed.
he spoke for an hour?! i hate long speeches...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

it was a new and improved laundry list of lofty promises that democrats have offered up since humphrey. government will do everything for you except wipe your ass. he'll track down bin laden, get us of off mideast oil in ten years time without relying heavily on drilling, equal pay for equal work, tax cuts for all, college education for all, an army of hew teachers with higher salaries, more sick days and paid leave, protect social security and pensions, health care for all, jobs to stay in america from now on, address climate change, change americas moral standing, defeat al qaeda and the taliban, prevent iran from getting nuclear weapons, curb russian aggression, etc, ad infinitum. of course it isn't possible, where in his vast resume of accomplishments does one find the faith that he has any clue about how to bring about any of these changes? what has he ever done/acheived other than build a cult following?

the first is an impossibility. people think oil, and they think of the gas station. everyone, look around your house. look at your computer you're sitting at right now....how much plastic do you see? no doubt everyone knows that plastics are a petroleum product. the dream that we can 'get off' oil is unrealistic...the argument that it won't help us right now if we drill is true, but had we fought that argument better a few years ago, we wouldn't be in this situation now. there's no reason for us not to access the natural resources we have sitting under us.i read in the paper the other day that obama essentially wants to keep bushes tax and budget ideas...but he says that he will cut taxes, and raise taxes on the 'rich' to pay for it. in other words, our deficit will grow.
equal pay for equal work sounds wonderful...problem is, everyone thinks they work hard, when in fact many don't. then there's experience levels...in other words, many reasons why people make what they do. our free market takes care of itself, and needs in many cases less intervention rather than more from the govt.
new programs cost new money-where will he find that. i'd love to have a leader come in and promise to be better caretakers of our wealth, and to make an immediate and lasting attempt to cut all the fraud, waste and abuse we have nationwide. hospitals in cali (for example) were taking in homeless folks, saying they had diseases they didn't have, 'running tests', etc, and billing the dogmess out of medicaid, medical....we're talking hundreds of millions of dollars in those instances alone. that's outrageous. cut the waste, and we'd have more money for legitimate needs.
the pork needs to go, the line item veto needs to be instituted. robert byrd doesn't need any more buildings named after him, he has plenty in west va for his legacy.
more teachers with higher salaries...wonderful. i saw that one of the districts here in ark gets over '$5k per student each year to teach them. that's an obscene amount of money. and we have smaller classes than in years' past, and more teachers' aides to help with less per class. ridiculous. and we don't have the grades/act scores to show that our public school system is working, even with all the additional staff to teach our kids.

exactly how is he going to give tax cuts to all, and boost spending? just what we need, more govt. that's my #1 issue with democrats, too much revenue redistribution. take from the haves, give to the havenots. pretty soon more haves will be joining the latter group. the have nots want what i have ? do like me and my husband, get your ass to work like we do, and you'll have it too.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

He can't do this stuff, because your party is gunna fight him in Congress. That's why it isn't possible. You know that, you make it impossible, and then you claim he is the one who can't do it. It's mainly a leadership position. I don't blame Bush for not being able to privatize Social Security. HE DIDN'T HAVE THE VOTES TO DO IT. Not like he didn't want to do it. He didn't fail to do it. He was kept from doing it.

If he wins the presidency, and his party controls both houses of congress, he won't have any excuses, HE WILL HAVE THE VOTES. What can Republicans do to stop him? Bush had trouble with Social Security because he did not control congress.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

It was country music. I wish I was red enough to know who the artist is but it was an interesting choice. They certainly know who their target market is.

brooks and dunn... it was a rediculously great speech. Geez listening to that after hearing 8 years of dumbass bush.. makes you fall in love with Obama.

The question is... will he really do what he said he would or is it a bunch of rhetoric?

This will be a fun election.. looking forward to McCain next week and future debates. I may have to open my mind a little after that! (still dont think I can vote for a dem though)