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sdjcom · #41 08-22-2008, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard

Rough life????

Puleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeea se.

The guy is the son of a great horsemen and had a shot to follow in his footsteps. Not too many get the luxury to be brought up and learn from a guy like Dick Dutrow. Rick was a degenrate gambler/drug addict who got that "rough life" all on his own. He has nobody to blame but himself for his pitfalls.

The guy has ZERO respect for others in the game...he has ripped Assmussen...David Carroll....what he did in The Whitney yrs ago to make sure St Liam won was ridiculous. Gary Contessa, who I am not a fan of, said it perfectly "At a time when he could be doing something good for the sport, he is doing the exact opposite". This was mentioned during the whole steroid talk when Dutrow was suppose to go in front of Congress.

What does knowing him personally have to do with anything? All you have to do is listen to him and follow along to know what he is all about.

Let's get back to what i was talking about. The fat pig comment, and name calling on the forum . I just hate to see it go that way. Now as far as Dutrow
I like his brashness, he's different and many of the trainers today do exactly the same things he does, except his problems was brought to the front with the triple crown coverage. Question? Has Curlin been on steriods for last 3 years?

RolloTomasi · #42 08-22-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Memo to Big Brown Bashers........."Give it a rest."

Memo to Big Brown Nosers...."Give him a rest".

Wasn't, by all accounts, his Haskell visually unimpressive, getting left for dead on the turn, full out and under a savage right-handed whip, before finally reeling in a tiring allowance horse while drifting out considerably through the lane?

And yet, still, if you buy it, he got one of his best speed figures? Just think how good he would be with some time off and 4 good feet under him.

If he stays in training (I realize the plan is to retire him at the end of the year), he could end up finishing his campaign the way Touch Gold did (see the '97 Pegasus and BC Classic).

Aside from their ridiculous boasting, IEAH take a lot flack here because they are basically not doing right by Big Brown. They aren't giving him a shot to be the horse they claim he is (by not running him at 4) and his continued campaigning this year is somewhat reckless if you think he has significant physical problems (namely his quarter crack).

RollerDoc · #43 08-22-2008, 07:33 PM

[quote=RolloTomasi]Memo to Big Brown Nosers...."Give him a rest".

Wasn't, by all accounts, his Haskell visually unimpressive, getting left for dead on the turn, full out and under a savage right-handed whip, before finally reeling in a tiring allowance horse while drifting out considerably through the lane?

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Haskell victory was quite impressive. It proved he could win from behind, something he never needed to do.

And if you are going to use the "savage right-handed whip card" then you might as well include the majority of other champions in the same breath.

RolloTomasi · #44 08-22-2008, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Haskell victory was quite impressive. It proved he could win from behind, something he never needed to do.

And if you are going to use the "savage right-handed whip card" then you might as well include the majority of other champions in the same breath.

Did he win the Derby and Preakness wire-to-wire?

And how far out of it exactly was he in the Haskell? A length and a half, maybe?

Most of the problems he "overcame" in the Haskell probably had more to do with his own physical condition then any circumstances related to how the race setup or was ultimately run.

In that regard, Big Brown's Haskell was a step below his other performances, and a red flag as far as future efforts are concerned. Of course, if the Belmont effort didn't cause them to back off, certainly him winning in New Jersey isn't going to stop IEAH from their masterplan.

RollerDoc · #45 08-22-2008, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Did he win the Derby and Preakness wire-to-wire?

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He won them both by accelerating at the top of the stretch. That is hardly coming from behind.

RolloTomasi · #46 08-22-2008, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

He won them both by accelerating at the top of the stretch. That is hardly coming from behind.

How do true closers normally win races? By decelerating at the top of the stretch?

Oh wait, they just lope along one-paced and pass tiring horses.

Much more impressive...

sdjcom · #47 08-22-2008, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

How do true closers normally win races? By decelerating at the top of the stretch?

Oh wait, they just lope along one-paced and pass tiring horses.

Much more impressive...

Closers do look impressive flying down the lane however the optical illusion is as you well know they are just tiring slower so it makes them look like they
have after burners on . lol

RollerDoc · #48 08-22-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

How do true closers normally win races? By decelerating at the top of the stretch?

Oh wait, they just lope along one-paced and pass tiring horses.

Much more impressive...

Big Brown's pressure of when he streaked for the finish helped make the
horse(s) tired. When the race was over, Big Brown wasn't tired and hasn't loped yet, only won every race he entered except one, which he should have never been entered for a multitude of reasons except a TC was on the line.

Cannon Shell · #49 08-22-2008, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud

Garbage or otherwise, if he wins on the turf he'd be a 4x G1 winner, dual classic winner and a turf stakes winner. That will make him more attractive as a turf sire, no matter who he beats.
What's more attractive? Making him more valuable winning a turf stakes or sending him to slaughter vs Curlin?

Of course they're ducking and talking empty trash. But when did you start believing what trainers and owners say?

From what I remember reading, they sold 20-25% of him to 3 Chimneys for $10 Million. So they've got to enhance or maintain whatever residual value he has. Other than beating or running a tight 2nd to Curlin, it's not going to happen on dirt.

That doesnt help his stud fee. For what they are going to need to stand him for, people looking for a turf sire arent going to bothr with him. in other words there are a whole lot better options in that price range for turf sires.

$5 million for 10% is the number we have been led to believe.

Cannon Shell · #50 08-22-2008, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sdjcom

I'll say there's no reason for you to call Dutrow a name like that. Look at what he has accomplish after a rough life. look at his grade 1 wins purse money, etc.. Do you know him personally? If not they statment is out of line.
Sure he is loud big mouth, boastful, however he does back up most of his talk with performances he gets out of his horses. Why is there so much hate for a man that nobody on the website even knows personally.

I believe there are several people on the website who know him personally and i dont think he would care if someone called him a fat pig. Us fat guys know we are fat, most of us embrace our fatness

#51 08-22-2008, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I believe there are several people on the website who know him personally and i dont think he would care if someone called him a fat pig. Us fat guys know we are fat, most of us embrace our fatness

As long as your wife also embraces your fatness all is well.
My wife embraces my fat by pinching.

Cannon Shell · #52 08-22-2008, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

As long as your wife also embraces your fatness all is well.
My wife embraces my fat by pinching.

It doesnt look like it is going to change so she better embrace it

#53 08-22-2008, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It doesnt look like it is going to change so she better embrace it

Aha!
You are the big cheese.
I am not. I am told change can take place.
And not only by Obama.

stonegossard · #54 08-22-2008, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sdjcom

Let's get back to what i was talking about. The fat pig comment, and name calling on the forum . I just hate to see it go that way. Now as far as Dutrow
I like his brashness, he's different and many of the trainers today do exactly the same things he does, except his problems was brought to the front with the triple crown coverage. Question? Has Curlin been on steriods for last 3 years?

You talked about his rough life. I responded.

What does Curlin being on steroids have to with Dutrow being a fat pig ?

If fat pig is too harsh how about fat loudmouth? Is that better ?

stonegossard · #55 08-22-2008, 11:02 PM

[quote=RollerDoc]

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Memo to Big Brown Nosers...."Give him a rest".

Wasn't, by all accounts, his Haskell visually unimpressive, getting left for dead on the turn, full out and under a savage right-handed whip, before finally reeling in a tiring allowance horse while drifting out considerably through the lane?

QUOTE]

Haskell victory was quite impressive. It proved he could win from behind, something he never needed to do.

And if you are going to use the "savage right-handed whip card" then you might as well include the majority of other champions in the same breath.

Umm newsflash...he was further back in the Derby. Also was off the pace in The Preakness. At least get your facts somewhat straight.

What was impressive about The Haskell? He sat a perfect trip 2nd to an average horse...then he was all out to beat him. BB didnt pass Zito's horse....Zito's horse slowed down enough in the final 100 yds for BB to get by.

stonegossard · #56 08-22-2008, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I believe there are several people on the website who know him personally and i dont think he would care if someone called him a fat pig. Us fat guys know we are fat, most of us embrace our fatness

While you might be fat Chuck, please dont group yourself with Dutrow. He is in that "other " fat group of people.