Curlin pointing to Arc?? - Page 3

Cannon Shell · #41 05-07-2008, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Yeah, it really wouldn't hurt his value in the least to lose and would increase it significantly if he were to win. That's the only reason I am believing there is any chance they'd try it.

I dont think he can increase his value signifigantly because he is already out of range for almost everyone anyway

Cannon Shell · #42 05-07-2008, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Better Than Honour

This horse would have a shot in any race, anywhere, at any time. A win in the Arc would stamp him as possibly the greatest horse of all-time when it comes to achievements. That is if he wins the BC Classic again.

He starting fee as a stallion would probably be $250,000 if he won that race. Not just because that would make him a great dirt and turf horse but because he is so sound.

not really and not really

SniperSB23 · #43 05-07-2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

No one's gonna show up in the Stephen Foster, that's $450,000 right there, giving him $9.25 million. Whitney pays $450,000 for first, Woodward pays $300,000, Gold Cup pays $600,000. You don't think he has it sewn up barring injury?

Yeah, but we said the same thing about Invasor last year after the World Cup. I doubt if he stayed in the US he would run in all four of those races. Foster - Whitney - JCGC seems the likely course.

brockguy · #44 05-07-2008, 01:55 PM

The Arc would be a good race for Curlin as they have the recognised prep races over the course and distance 4 weeks before the race, which seems to be to their liking.. Those prep races tend to turn into joke races though but at least he would get experience over the track.

ateamstupid · #45 05-07-2008, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Yeah, but we said the same thing about Invasor last year after the World Cup. I doubt if he stayed in the US he would run in all four of those races. Foster - Whitney - JCGC seems the likely course.

I didn't say he'd run in all four. I was just pointing out how much money there is to be won.

If he takes your path and wins all three, he's got $10.3 million in earnings.

If he wins the first two and runs second in the Gold Cup, he's got $9.9 million, if he wins the Foster and Gold Cup and runs second in the Whitney, he's got $10 million. This is before factoring in a possible race after the Gold Cup.

King Glorious · #46 05-07-2008, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Winning the Arlington Million does nothing for him. Winning the Arc would make him a virtual immortal. The reason they are discussing races like the Arc and Japan Cup is because of timing, as they have indicated a reluctance to running him in the BC on synthetic surfaces, and thus the overseas races would, in all likelihood, be his final appearances. It logically follows that he will run in US dirt races, which would ( at least slightly ) enhance his value and likely pad his earnings, before taking a shot at something more substantial.

I understand the logic in suggesting that should he try the Million, and bomb, they would know not to waste their time in Paris, but by running in logical, and prestigious, spots here, and likely winning, and then making a final parting, and sporting, gesture, like the Arc becomes a no lose situation for them....with unprecidented upside. If he runs in the Arc he would be passing on the Jockey Club Gold Cup only. I will miss seeing him....but as they say....." Been there, done that. "

I knew one day, I'd rub off on you. I knew it. When you were typing this out, were you cringing thinking "this is exactly what KG would type"?

SniperSB23 · #47 05-07-2008, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I didn't say he'd run in all four. I was just pointing out how much money there is to be won.

If he takes your path and wins all three, he's got $10.3 million in earnings.

If he wins the first two and runs second in the Gold Cup, he's got $9.9 million, if he wins the Foster and Gold Cup and runs second in the Whitney, he's got $10 million. This is before factoring in a possible race after the Gold Cup.

Yeah, I'm sure he'll get it barring injury but that barring injury is a big part of it. We've had 3 of the last 4 HOYs come back the following year and the first two were retired with injuries before the end of June. The one who did retire wound up breaking down on a stud farm. Not the best track record going right now.

King Glorious · #48 05-07-2008, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

Because the Arc is one of the most prestigious races in the world. . . I like the fact that they're considering actually having a little fun with this horse rather than playing it safe and keeping him on dirt against overmatched opponents. I couldn't care less if he wins the Stephen Foster or the JCGC or maybe even the BC Classic with what his competition would most likely be. But for him to run in the Arc would bring some excitement to a sport that needs it right now.

Same thinking I had about GZ. Not that it was a good thing to see him retire but the prospect of watching him beat up on the same group of horses over and over if he stayed around the rest of the year was boring.

King Glorious · #49 05-07-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I highly doubt he will go to the Arc, though it would be cool, but if he does I am guessing he won't try the turf beforehand.

I agree with this too. I don't see a need in trying it first. Either he can do it or he can't.

AlexP · #50 05-07-2008, 02:31 PM

The one thing I'm curious about if they did go to the Arc is if they'd go for one of those preps beforehand. Asmussen has said multiple times Curlin does better in his second race at a track, which is why they went to Dubai for a prep. However, I could understand not doing it, because of reasons stated before (win races here on a surface you know he likes, then you lose nothing if he does bad in the Arc).

King Glorious · #51 05-07-2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AlexP

The one thing I'm curious about if they did go to the Arc is if they'd go for one of those preps beforehand. Asmussen has said multiple times Curlin does better in his second race at a track, which is why they went to Dubai for a prep. However, I could understand not doing it, because of reasons stated before (win races here on a surface you know he likes, then you lose nothing if he does bad in the Arc).

The exact reason why I had no problem with George Washington coming here for the Classic instead of the Mile. What would winning the Mile have done for him?

blackthroatedwind · #52 05-07-2008, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

I knew one day, I'd rub off on you. I knew it. When you were typing this out, were you cringing thinking "this is exactly what KG would type"?

You're always on my mind.

cmorioles · #53 05-07-2008, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Paris would never be the same

He'd never find Longchamp. He would be 1 to 5 to find Pigalle.

slotdirt · #54 05-07-2008, 03:42 PM

Scav, were you one of the two 300-pounders taking the Woodford Reserve tour on Sunday afternoon clothed fully in nothing but Chicago Bears paraphanelia?

deltagulf · #55 05-07-2008, 03:42 PM

i would like to see him in the arc. it would be a great win for him and connections. plus very good money and prestige.

brockguy · #56 05-07-2008, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by deltagulf

i would like to see him in the arc. it would be a great win for him and connections. plus very good money and prestige.

4million euro purse

ddthetide · #57 05-07-2008, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

So you'd rather see him beat up on Better Than Bonds and Magna Graduate and Wanderin Boy all year than see him go try the best turf horses in the world in one of the most prestigious races on earth for a shot at immortality?

don't get me wrong, i root for curlin but immortal is pushing it abit. he's only run 10 times. 3rd in the derby, 2nd in the belmont, 3rd in the haskill. the BC and dubai are his biggest wins. he'll get the earnings record because the purses are so much bigger. he's a really nice horse but not one of the greats. if they are tring to make a legend then run him in the US so people here can see him. i just don't get excited by international racing. his stud value can't get much if any higher.

GBBob · #58 05-07-2008, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by brockguy

4million euro purse

Based on my last trip to Europe, that's about 4 Cokes and a loaf of bread

SniperSB23 · #59 05-07-2008, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide

don't get me wrong, i root for curlin but immortal is pushing it abit. he's only run 10 times. 3rd in the derby, 2nd in the belmont, 3rd in the haskill. the BC and dubai are his biggest wins. he'll get the earnings record because the purses are so much bigger. he's a really nice horse but not one of the greats. if they are tring to make a legend then run him in the US so people here can see him. i just don't get excited by international racing. his stud value can't get much if any higher.

He'll never even be close to a legend with a BC Classic, a Preakness, and a Dubai World Cup on his resume. Add in the Arc and the Japan Cup and he's suddenly in unprecedented company. Winning the Foster, Whitney, and JCGC do nothing for his legacy.

brockguy · #60 05-07-2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide

don't get me wrong, i root for curlin but immortal is pushing it abit. he's only run 10 times. 3rd in the derby, 2nd in the belmont, 3rd in the haskill. the BC and dubai are his biggest wins. he'll get the earnings record because the purses are so much bigger. he's a really nice horse but not one of the greats. if they are tring to make a legend then run him in the US so people here can see him. i just don't get excited by international racing. his stud value can't get much if any higher.

When there is a top class Irish horse, there is nothing that makes me prouder seeing him/her going round the world winning top races....