NYRA increases purses - Page 3

sumitas · #41 10-15-2007, 05:17 PM

Oh no, only those that can exploit an industry should operate one right. Just like the industrial revolution where kids worked and families suffered. Now that was capitalism at it's finest !

But I agree the NYRA must have some accountability. Not a blank check for 30 years.

pgiaco · #42 10-15-2007, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I hate to admit it but I own 4 NYB yearlings...

It' OK, admitting it is the first step.

outofthebox · #43 10-15-2007, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms

As if horsemen don't have a hard enough time paying the bills, you're now proposing that NYRA should be charging owners and trainers for stalls at the track. Aside from Payson Park and Palm Meadows, please identify one other track that requires such payments.

There is a daily charge for stalls. I would have to check my last bill but it was something like $5oo for the 18 stalls i had for the saratoga meet..

parsixfarms · #44 10-15-2007, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by outofthebox

There is a daily charge for stalls. I would have to check my last bill but it was something like $5oo for the 18 stalls i had for the saratoga meet..

Not NYRA stalls, during the Saratoga meet.

Cannon Shell · #45 10-15-2007, 08:31 PM

Listen you 2 simpletons. If you are going to argue your points at least get the story straight. NYRA declared Bankruptcy for 2 reasons. #1 is because under the current racing model they get to KEEP NO MONEY!!! Dont you understand that they are not allowed to keep any of the money they rightfully earned from their cut of the handle. It after expenses it all goes to the state. Obviously the laws which were written in a different era are no longer reasonable but fools keep saying "NYRA is broke!!!"
Reason #2 was to go in front of a federal judge who would almost certainly rule that NYRA is the rightful owner of the land which forces the Govenors hand. If he does not help them and the courts rule in NYRA's favor concerning the land, then there is no awarding of anything and NYRA can sell off land, pay off creditors and the state is loses the biggest battle of all, the land ownership deal.

As for NYRA and the HK jockey club being in competition....are you serious?

sumitas · #46 10-15-2007, 09:00 PM

Since when is horse racing supposed to be a capitalist model like McDonalds ? Or even the NFL? (lotsa cometition there). Folks, either the profits go back to NYS and a LARGE chunk to horsemen or the profits go out of state never to be seen again. I can hear the sucking sound allready. Right on Cannon Shell.

#47 10-16-2007, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Not NYRA stalls, during the Saratoga meet.

Pretty sure NYRA charges for the Saratoga stalls once the meet is over, but not during it. Churchill does it too from around July to September 15, I think.

#48 10-16-2007, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Listen you 2 simpletons. If you are going to argue your points at least get the story straight. NYRA declared Bankruptcy for 2 reasons. #1 is because under the current racing they get to KEEP NO MONEY!!! Dont you understand that they are not allowed to keep any of the money they rightfully earned from their cut of the handle. It after expenses it all goes to the state. Obviously the laws which were written in a different era are no longer reasonable but fools keep saying "NYRA is broke!!!"
Reason #2 was to go in front of a federal judge who would almost certainly rule that NYRA is the rightful owner of the land which forces the Govenors hand. If he does not help them and the courts rule in NYRA's favor concerning the land, then there is no awarding of anything and NYRA can sell off land, pay off creditors and the state is loses the biggest battle of all, the land ownership deal.

As for NYRA and the HK jockey club being in competition....are you serious?

Calling people simpletons and saying neighborhoods are dumps is not something a guy winning 13% of his races and maybe $150K in purses for an entire year should be doing. Are you jockeying for a job with NYRA once the training career is over, which might be pretty soon? LOL

So you want to say NYRA "rightfully earned" money but then you want them to be a non-profit? Hilarious. Why not just include $100 steak dinners everynight and pay the board members shipping costs of their horses. This way they will insure they are a non-profit. Wait, they already do that. LOL

Please explain to me what NYRA does with the million it gets when it sells the land? No land=No racing=no NYRA. NYRA CAN'T EXIST WITHOUT RACING. Is that too difficult for you to understand or do you have to be a simpleton like us to get it?

You want no accountability for NYRA. I guess you want no accountability from racehorse trainers to their owners too. Although you seem to already have that. LOL

viscount26 · #49 10-16-2007, 03:06 PM

[quote=Benevolus]Calling people simpletons and saying neighborhoods are dumps is not something a guy winning 13% of his races and maybe $150K in purses for an entire year should be doing. Are you jockeying for a job with NYRA once the training career is over, which might be pretty soon? LOL

Spoken like the jerk that you are

Cannon Shell · #50 10-16-2007, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Benevolus

Calling people simpletons and saying neighborhoods are dumps is not something a guy winning 13% of his races and maybe $150K in purses for an entire year should be doing. Are you jockeying for a job with NYRA once the training career is over, which might be pretty soon? LOL

So you want to say NYRA "rightfully earned" money but then you want them to be a non-profit? Hilarious. Why not just include $100 steak dinners everynight and pay the board members shipping costs of their horses. This way they will insure they are a non-profit. Wait, they already do that. LOL

Please explain to me what NYRA does with the million it gets when it sells the land? No land=No racing=no NYRA. NYRA CAN'T EXIST WITHOUT RACING. Is that too difficult for you to understand or do you have to be a simpleton like us to get it?

You want no accountability for NYRA. I guess you want no accountability from racehorse trainers to their owners too. Although you seem to already have that. LOL

Only a fool would take what NY politicians say at face value like you seem to do. I find it amusing that you attempt to denigrate me professionally at every chance yet are insulted when I call you what you are.

The board members got their horses shipped for free because everyone got free shipping on the NYRA shuttle. If you ship from Aqu to Belmont or vice versa to run in a race you went on the NYRA shuttle which was for everyone. It is not a unique situation as Calder to Gulfstream and Churchill to Arlington and Churchill to Keeneland have similar set ups. If you are stupid enough to think that any of the board members are serving to get free stall rent, shuttle service or $100 steak dinners you are a simpleton.

You want NYRA to "clean up the community" and renovate but how are they supposed to do that if the state cleans them out at every chance.

I'm not sure why YOU are so personally against NYRA but if they are so bad then who do you propose run the tracks in NY?

sumitas · #51 10-16-2007, 04:36 PM

Now here's the link for the bidders on the casino side. Note that Excelsior and Empire did not even submit any interest in running the casinos...
http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=41368

"earth to Joe, earth to Joe...come in please...ummm, while you were gone NYRA has been awarded the racing franchise...now try to figure out how the casino side will be run...earth to Joe...are you there ?"

Danzig · #52 10-16-2007, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Benevolus

Calling people simpletons and saying neighborhoods are dumps is not something a guy winning 13% of his races and maybe $150K in purses for an entire year should be doing. Are you jockeying for a job with NYRA once the training career is over, which might be pretty soon? LOL

So you want to say NYRA "rightfully earned" money but then you want them to be a non-profit? Hilarious. Why not just include $100 steak dinners everynight and pay the board members shipping costs of their horses. This way they will insure they are a non-profit. Wait, they already do that. LOL

Please explain to me what NYRA does with the million it gets when it sells the land? No land=No racing=no NYRA. NYRA CAN'T EXIST WITHOUT RACING. Is that too difficult for you to understand or do you have to be a simpleton like us to get it?

You want no accountability for NYRA. I guess you want no accountability from racehorse trainers to their owners too. Although you seem to already have that. LOL

why not? what has one part of your sentence got to do with the other?
i agree with viscount, you are a jerk.

jerk.

SniperSB23 · #53 10-16-2007, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

why not? what has one part of your sentence got to do with the other?
i agree with viscount, you are a jerk.

jerk.

Yeah, I'm winning at a 0% clip but doesn't mean until he can come up with a good alternative to the NYRA and is just senselessly bashing them I can't say he's a simpleton.

Danzig · #54 10-16-2007, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Yeah, I'm winning at a 0% clip but doesn't mean until he can come up with a good alternative to the NYRA and is just senselessly bashing them I can't say he's a simpleton.

and i don't even CARRY a purse, certainly haven't won one.

outofthebox · #55 10-16-2007, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Benevolus

Pretty sure NYRA charges for the Saratoga stalls once the meet is over, but not during it. Churchill does it too from around July to September 15, I think.

We get charged daily for stall rent year round, and not just the host meet or off meet. I was going over my my NYRA statements this afternoon. Great tax right off for me though...

Linny · #56 10-16-2007, 10:17 PM

If you are in a NYRA stall at SAR, during the meet you should not be paying rent. If you are there before or after then you will get a bill. If you were in a non-NYRA stall (say over on Gridley St) and got a bil for the 6 week meet, you are paying the owner of the stalls, not NYRA.

If you were in a NYRA stall for the 6 weeks and got a bill, contest it.

blackthroatedwind · #57 10-16-2007, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Linny

If you are in a NYRA stall at SAR, during the meet you should not be paying rent. If you are there before or after then you will get a bill. If you were in a non-NYRA stall (say over on Gridley St) and got a bil for the 6 week meet, you are paying the owner of the stalls, not NYRA.

If you were in a NYRA stall for the 6 weeks and got a bill, contest it.

And, furthermore, the rent charged ( $15 a day I believe ) for use of the Oklahoma during the " off-season " is passed along to owners. Perhaps this is less relevant to OutoftheBox because he is a private trainer....thus his owner foots all the bills.

reese · #58 10-17-2007, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms

You'd never know it from your posts.

So true. Sounds like a dolt to me.

Bigsmc · #59 10-17-2007, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

If you can afford a race horse you can afford alot.

Most hilarious post of the day. Thanks for the laugh fm.

ELA · #60 10-17-2007, 12:35 PM

Everytime this discussion, or arguement takes place -- every single time -- I think it's crystal clear as to who understands the actual and substanative issues; and who is more oriented toward "the noise" -- the propaganda, and whatever else you want to call it. Anyone who comes from a place of getting rid of NYRA because they have failed, and bringing in someone who can build a successful business model, clearly doesn't understand anything about the economic and political environment of not only NY racing, but the entire industry. Now, there is nothing wrong with that, and in saying that I mean no offense to anyone and it's not meant to be riduculing in any way. However, it does point out that it is extremely difficult to have an intelligent, meaningful conversation when people are on two completely different planes of knowledge.

NYRA declaring bankruptcy is not a measure of their financial prowess or lack thereof. It's not cause and effect. It was, in part, very simply a strategic move and I think some people are upset not that NYRA did it, but more so that it actually worked. Think about that. The bankruptcy is however very and extermely indicative of the current political and legislative landscape that any franchise operator would have to operate under. It was not NYRA's business model that was broken. Yes, the propaganda will talk about expense accounts, NY Bred races, the taxpayers -- and while I don't mean to trivialize any issues, those are not the real issues. The critics and the people who are absent of facts and understanding must make it those items the issues. NYRA's business model -- any business model, in the current environment, would fail.

How many of these bidders were considering the franchise before the VLT legislation was passed? How many bidders were throwing their hat in the ring before the state legislature agreed to change the laws that make it impossible for anyone to operate the tracks in a prudent, dilligent and "profitable" form and fashion? For the first time, the state (or at least part of it, LOL) is actually looking to work with the various components of the industry and be part of the solution.

This is not about NYRA, although some people tend to make so. This entire situation is not a NYRA issue -- it's an industry issue. It's about archaic laws that were once feasible. However, the world has changed, and NY Racing -- not just NYRA -- has been dying a slow death. Like an old car that gets real old real fast, the death has been accelerated. NYRA has made mistakes, like CD, Magna, Woodbine, Delaware North, Empire, Excelsior, Capital Play, and so on. Everyone on the rosters have made mistakes -- just like all of us.

I think people need to set aside the sour grapes, animosity, hostility, and everything else -- and truly understand the issues and look to what is best for the sport and the industry.

Eric