Support grows for Belmont slot machines

[sumitas]

It does seem that 30 years is a bit long. I agree there.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Benevolus

You are absolutely clueless and have no idea what you are talking about. Floral Park borders Belmont. There are million dollar homes just outside the fence of belmont's back parking area. Also, if you go out the back gate where the school is you are in Floral Park, where homes start at $500K.

Please get your head of of NYRA's butt. It is comical how people stick up for them all the time and then don't disclose their relationship with members of the group.

Who has more credibility, the people that live near the track, or the organization that is bankrupt and in years past was getting slapped around by the federal government? Remember the people that live in that neighborhood are the ones paying the taxes to bail out bankrupt groups like NYRA.

You know between you and STS you have tried to convince me that Hialeah was a nice neighborhood and the area around Belmont is full of Luxury homes. Of course the fact that I was stabled at Hialeah for 4 years or lived in beautiful Elmont and Franklin Square for 10 years would give me no idea of what I was talking about. Go the other way from Floral Park (which is not exactly 90210). Leave the front gate at Belmont and go right for about 2 minutes. Still nice? Take a left and see how beautiful it is? The county and town sure never bitched about all the tax money they received from NYRA despite the fact that they allowed an OTB directly accross the street! NYRA has treated me fairly over the years, nothing more, nothing less. I call them like I see them. This constant reference to bankruptcy shows your ignorance of both the situation and bankruptcy laws in general.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MisterB

Question:
Why would it be the neighorhoods job to support NYRA? Other than pay high taxes.

Next Q:
What is NYRA's side anyway. How can anyone support the way NYRA managed the Franchise. Granted, they have made a big change to the good.

Believe me, I didn't like any of the responses above, but this one is confusing as all hell.

Once you see how other tracks are run and how people are treated, both horseman and fans, you begin to see that NYRA is far from bad.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Benevolus

First of all the people that live there pay ridiculous property taxes, which help bail out groups like NYRA when the state of NY bails them out.

As for the comment about having his head in NYRA's butt, what do you expect me to think. Anyone that has been to Belmont knows that there are some very expensive homes just outside of Belmont. To say the neighborhood around the track is a dump is hilarious. Part of it, like all racetracks is a bad neighborhood, but the facility is huge and the majority of it is surrounded by homes that start at $500k. Perhaps the people with nice homes get a little tired of the garbage and tickets that seem to never be cleaned up and blow all over the place.

I love NY racing and think NYRA is getting better, but a bankrupt group cuts corners and cleaning the area around belmont isn't exactly something NYRA put money into.

NYRA clearly doesn't give a crap about the surrounding community and if they put slots in there the neighborhood property values could easily tumble.

It is obvious that you are not that sharp but unless they put up projects in place of Belmont the property values wont ever tumble as long as the Cross Island parkway is up and running. A 500k home in the greater NY area is not that big or nice of a home as compared to most of the country.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cardus

This part is correct, and I would not describe Elmont as a "dump." A friend recently bought a plain home that needs some work for over $300,000. There are nicer homes in Elmont than his purchase.

Just because it is expensive to live in NY does not make Elmont a wonderful cheery place to live that is just ruined by that nasty old NYRA and all the losing tickets floating around.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Benevolus

NYRA should run it. Just make the deal something like 5 years, not 30, which is a joke.

Great idea, why not make it 4 years so each new governor can run their own bidding process. I mean this one has been such a positive process.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Benevolus

The only reason people get involved with running non-profits like NYRA is to figure out ways to make money off of it.

Horse racing must be a for-profit entity.

This about sums it up. I cant top this one.

So you get involved with a NON-Profit to make money so it's better to have a FOR-Profit. Does that mean people get involved with for-profits not to make money? Or just for the good of the taxpayers...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cardus

You typed that the area around Belmont is a "dump (Elmont)." This is, in fact, incorrect, or at best, an exaggeration. I'm not arguing about Franklin Square, which, also, is not a dump, nor am I arguing about Floral Park, which is a very nice area for about 90% of the United States. Not 90210, but how much of the U.S. resembles that zip code?

I don't know when you lived there, or when you were stabled last at Belmont. I suspect it hasn't been for a while. If you want to say that the area through which the Q 110 bus passes along Hempstead Tpke. on the way to Belmont is a dump, you'd still be wrong compared to other places in the U.S. properly described as a "dump."

I didn't equate Elmont to a "wonderful cheery place," but you are misrepresenting the area around Belmont Park as if it were Pimlico's surrounding neighborhood.

Walk out the stable gate, take a left or right and you will be real tired before you find a "nice" area. I guess you and I have a different version of what is nice and what is a dump.

I had a conversation yesterday with a lady who does enough work at Belmont to keep an apartment there as opposed to living out of hotels. She was bemoaning the problems of finding anything in a nice area, close to the track. It aint Hollywood Park bad but is far from really nice.

[gales0678]

the slots at yonkes raceway seem to be working - purses are up for the trotters over there - rooney family owns this and the PB kennel club

[pmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by gales0678

the slots at yonkes raceway seem to be working - purses are up for the trotters over there - rooney family owns this and the PB kennel club

Any increase in the handle up in Yonkers?

[gales0678]

i believe so - i don't have the actual numbers , but ,the place is packed now a lot of nights

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by gales0678

the slots at yonkes raceway seem to be working - purses are up for the trotters over there - rooney family owns this and the PB kennel club

Yes, purses are up, but the slot revenue is way behind original projections.

[gales0678]

don't worrry the Rooney's won't be passing around the bread basket!

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You know between you and STS you have tried to convince me that Hialeah was a nice neighborhood and the area around Belmont is full of Luxury homes. Of course the fact that I was stabled at Hialeah for 4 years or lived in beautiful Elmont and Franklin Square for 10 years would give me no idea of what I was talking about. Go the other way from Floral Park (which is not exactly 90210). Leave the front gate at Belmont and go right for about 2 minutes. Still nice? Take a left and see how beautiful it is? The county and town sure never bitched about all the tax money they received from NYRA despite the fact that they allowed an OTB directly accross the street! NYRA has treated me fairly over the years, nothing more, nothing less. I call them like I see them. This constant reference to bankruptcy shows your ignorance of both the situation and bankruptcy laws in general.

Perhaps you should concentrate more on training and less on kissing NYRA's butt and criticizing people's hometown's, calling them dumps. Your win percentage might hit the 14% mark and earning break $125K on the year. LOL

If you are going to attack people's hometowns perhaps you should know what you are talking about. If you go out the front gate and go right you are in Jamaica. That is not where the people that are complaining live. They are Long Island residents that pay Long Island property taxes. As a trainer, you couldn't afford to live in Floral Park, unless you were Pletcher or Lukas, which you are not, who were Garden City residents, which borders Floral Park.

Do some homework before you go attacking Floral Park. It is much nicer than the areas surrounding Churchill Downs. Heck, the homes in Floral Park cost more than just about anything in all of Kentucky.

Maybe before you go calling people's hometowns a "dump", you should think about how you would feel if people called your barn a dump, which it isn't, but it is a far cry from TAP and the Lukas barns (which you of all people should know).

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Benevolus

Perhaps you should concentrate more on training and less on kissing NYRA's butt and criticizing people's hometown's, calling them dumps. Your win percentage might hit the 14% mark and earning break $125K on the year. LOL

If you are going to attack people's hometowns perhaps you should know what you are talking about. If you go out the front gate and go right you are in Jamaica. That is not where the people that are complaining live. They are Long Island residents that pay Long Island property taxes. As a trainer, you couldn't afford to live in Floral Park, unless you were Pletcher or Lukas, which you are not, who were Garden City residents, which borders Floral Park.

Do some homework before you go attacking Floral Park. It is much nicer than the areas surrounding Churchill Downs. Heck, the homes in Floral Park cost more than just about anything in all of Kentucky.

Maybe before you go calling people's hometowns a "dump", you should think about how you would feel if people called your barn a dump, which it isn't, but it is a far cry from TAP and the Lukas barns (which you of all people should know).

Thanks for the unbiased opinion.

I find it interesting that you have so much knowledge of my barn and living situation. Thanks for the concern but I think that the neighborhood that I live in is a tad nicer than yours (I've lived in both). Maybe since I dont want you to feel bad about living in a dump and still having to pay high property taxes i'll do a 'dump or no dump' survey of all major thoroghbred tracks. What the hell, we can throw in a few trotting tracks too...

[Slewbopper]

[quote=Benevolus]


Do some homework before you go attacking Floral Park. It is much nicer than the areas surrounding Churchill Downs. Heck, the homes in Floral Park cost more than just about anything in all of Kentucky.

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Just because a house in Floral Park costs more than it does in other areas of the country doesn't mean sh*t. The cost of a 2 bedroom/one bath on a sixth of an acre in the Byram section of Greenwcih would cost more than a mansion in Floral Park.