9/30: JCGC; Vos; Beldame; JHTC

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

How did I act as if anything? The odds of the horses in the races played no factor in what I said. And u trying to make it seem like u were talking only about betting against her is very weak. U were very clear in your analysis, saying she was hopeless here. The scenarios are the same. U know Ginger Punch and u know what's likely to be in the race against her and u don't like her chances. Same with me and Fabulous Strike in the Vosburgh.

It's a semantics discussion.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Personally, I think one of the worst things anyone can do is form a strong opinion without reviewing the pps after the draw. I understand we all have our own personal biases, but deciding against a horse, without objectively seeing the race on paper, is a certain road to losing.

I understand the criticisms of Fabulous Strike, and don't even necessarily disagree, but to me, it is impossible to have an informed and definitive opinion over a day before the race is even drawn. At least as far as potential contenders are concerned.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

At least the Beldame is a good betting race with Ginger Punch the likely favorite. She's pretty hopeless in there.

Are we all allowed to use both sides of our mouths or only u Master?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Is this taking into consideration just how bad the Distaff division is? Possibles for the race are; Balance, Indian Vale, Miss Shop, Mo Cuishle, and Unbridled Belle.

Balance and Indian Vale, and even Unbridled Belle, are considerably better than the field for the Ruffian. I suppose Ginger Punch can win but I have certainly been looking forward to a reasonable spot to bet against her. As things stand now this looks like it. But, you never know.

Obviously she's a horse who has built a reputation that I don't think is justified. Maybe when I look at the pps I will feel differently.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Balance and Indian Vale, and even Unbridled Belle, are considerably better than the field for the Ruffian. I suppose Ginger Punch can win but I have certainly been looking forward to a reasonable spot to bet against her. As things stand now this looks like it. But, you never know.

Obviously she's a horse who has built a reputation that I don't think is justified. Maybe when I look at the pps I will feel differently.

Haven't seen a backslide like that since Michael Jackson moonwalked during the Motown 25 celebration show.

I would like to say that I totally agree with u on Ginger Punch. I've been waiting and waiting for the bubble to burst on this one.

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by Danzig

always the go-to when anyone mentioned perfect drift in anything other than a favorable way.

you said a mouthful !!!!!! and you are spot on. what comes around goes around. if your going to dish it learn to suck it up

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Are we all allowed to use both sides of our mouths or only u Master?

Your constant use of the term " master " is as lame as if I constantly called you stupid. It's beneath you...and you know it.

Once again, while I understand the similarities, I think they are two different situations. I am looking to beat a strong favorite who I think is overrated based on names of races and not actual performances.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Haven't seen a backslide like that since Michael Jackson moonwalked during the Motown 25 celebration show.

I would like to say that I totally agree with u on Ginger Punch. I've been waiting and waiting for the bubble to burst on this one.

Sorry that in an effort to defend yourself you can't see the difference between what I said earlier and my thinking a vulnerable odds-on favorite makes for " a good betting race. "

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

So should will all stop calling you master?

I thought that was DrugS.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

So should will all stop calling you master?

handicap races i will...

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[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Is this taking into consideration just how bad the Distaff division is? Possibles for the race are; Balance, Indian Vale, Miss Shop, Mo Cuishle, and Unbridled Belle.

I don't need PPs to know I'll be playing Unbridled Belle. Otherwise she might eat me.

I'm going to wait until Purina posts her picks before I decide.

[hockey2315]

Andy-

Will you be doing a youbet show for this weekend? I always enjoy them . . .

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Andy-

Will you be doing a youbet show for this weekend? I always enjoy them . . .

Yes, but since the big races aren't until Sunday we are filming tomorrow night and it won't be up until around noon on Saturday. I'll still try to talk a little about Saturday but I'm going to focus on Belmont Sunday.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Yes, but since the big races aren't until Sunday we are filming tomorrow night and it won't be up until around noon on Saturday. I'll still try to talk a little about Saturday but I'm going to focus on Belmont Sunday.

Sounds good. . . Thanks!

[Honu]

Originally Posted by GPK

All the hating on EC.

Id love to own a horse that "isn't much" and has earned the $$ he has.

Hes not a Euro quality turf horse by anymeans...but his record here in America speaks for itself.

He was great in the million in 2006

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I'm going to wait until Purina posts her picks before I decide.

LOL..that was a good one!

[Benny Leger]

Originally Posted by Danzig

always the go-to when anyone mentioned perfect drift in anything other than a favorable way.

Perfect Drift is a warrior. He runs his guts out every time the gate opens. One has to respect that trait.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I think English Channel's last race will look much better on sheet-figures than it will look any other way.

He gave the winner six pounds at 12 furlongs - which I believe is like 2.9 lengths in weight on the sheets. And the winner, got a great ground saving ride from Calvin Borel, while EC was a little bit wide as I recall.

I'm positive EC came away with the better figure - even though he was beaten by 3 lengths...which is a large margin of victory in a turf race.

I don't think EC is as good as he once was either - but he was beat by a dream-trip winner as I remember, and weight shifts like that can mean a little something in turf marathons. Look at how 3yo's tend to dominate olders in the Arc.

Even if you excuse the loss in the Sword Dancer - his win in the UN came with a dream trip, and his Manhatten effort was blah.

but do you really think he could lose here? I mean, this is the worst field i have ever seen for this for race.

[Kasept]

7th (4:10) Vosburgh S. (G1)

6 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 1 Fabulous Strike Dominguez R A Beattie Todd M 124 L 3-1
2 2 Park Avenue Ball Bejarano R Ryerson James T 124 L 12-1
3 3 E Z Warrior Espinoza V Baffert Bob 122 L 20-1
4 4 Discreet Cat Gomez G K bin Suroor Saeed 124 L 7-5
5 5 First Defence Castellano J J Frankel Robert 122 L 4-1
6 6 Mach Ride Trujillo E Standridge Steve W 124 L 8-1
7 7 Will He Shine Garcia Alan Romans Dale 124 Blk-On L 20-1
8 8 Talent Search Fogelsonger R Shuman Mark 124 L 10-1



8th (4:41) Joe Hirsch Turf Classic Invitational S. (G1)

1 1/2 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $600,000

1 1 English Channel Velazquez J R Pletcher Todd A 126 L 2-5
2 2 Mustanfar Gomez G K McLaughlin Kiaran P 126 L 6-1
3 3 Mission Approved Coa E M Contessa Gary C 121 L 20-1
4 4 Kiss the Kid Elliott S Tarrant Amy 126 L 12-1
5 5 Interpatation Espinoza J L Barbara Robert 126 L 12-1
6 6 Stream of Gold (IRE) Castro E McLaughlin Kiaran P 126 L 8-1
7 7 Green Girl (FR) Garcia Alan Hammond John 123 10-1



9th (5:12) Beldame S. (G1)

1 1/8 Miles | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $600,000

1 2 Ginger Punch Bejarano R Frankel Robert 123 L 9-5
1A 8 Sugar Shake Bejarano R Frankel Robert 123 L 9-5
2 1 Miss Shop Castellano J J Jerkens H Allen 123 L 5-1
3 3 Indian Vale Velazquez J R Pletcher Todd A 123 L 6-1
4 4 Ice Cool Kitty Luzzi M J Dutrow, Jr. R E 123 L 15-1
5 5 Unbridled Belle Dominguez R A Pletcher Todd A 123 L 9-2
6 6 Mo Cuishle Coa E M Tagg Barclay 123 L 15-1
7 7 Balance Espinoza V Hofmans David 123 L 3-1

A-Coupled: Ginger Punch and Sugar Shake



10th (5:45) Jockey Club Gold Cup S. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $750,000

1 1 Brother Bobby Elliott S Forster Grant T 126 L 20-1
2 2 Sun King Garcia Alan Zito Nicholas P 126 L 8-1
3 3 Political Force Velasquez C Jerkens H Allen 126 8-1
4 4 Malibu Moonshine Hill C Contessa Gary C 126 L 30-1
5 5 Curlin Albarado R J Asmussen Steven M 122 L 5-2
6 6 Lawyer Ron Velazquez J R Pletcher Todd A 126 L 3-5
7 7 Indy Wind Bejarano R Tarrant Amy 126 L 30-1

[NoChanceToDance]

Can someone tell me about some of the others against DC? Is it just the case that he wins if only 50% fit, or has he got a race on his hands even if he is almost 100%?

Thanks in advance for answering my ignorance.