Question For Saratoga Folks - Page 3

#41 09-17-2007, 11:25 AM

My vote remains the same...Kentucky Downs.

Danzig · #42 09-17-2007, 11:29 AM

i would think that if the powers that be thought saratoga was do-able, the bc would have been there by now.
maybe nyra doesn't want it there. i mean, for what? belmont can handle the crowd much better. saratoga is excellent for the time of year it's open, and for what it does.

blackthroatedwind · #43 09-17-2007, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Linny

I see many casual fans out back but I see and know plenty of hard core handicappers/fans who are strictly "picnic area" denizens. These are folks that have travelled to BC's everywhere. They are not all just casual racegoers and/or semi-interested fans out there.

What percentage, outside of the obvious group you are referring to, of those hard core handicappers/fans who are " picnic area " denizens, make up the crowd?

Simply put, the BC crowd will not, for the most part, be happy being in the picnic area, especially in late October.

saratogabrit · #44 09-17-2007, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by boswd

the accomdations wouldn't be a problem because people who either owned hotels or vacation rentals would know about Saratoga hosting years in advance and would make proper arrangements.

As far as Albany airport in handling the influx of people flying in? This isn't the Super Bowl and the Ky Derby going on on the same day. That wouldn't be the issue at all.

People who own rental properties won't be able to accomodate anyone. Those that rent to Skidmore will be full, those who rent for the meet and then rent to people who work locally want to have someone renting within 1 week of the end of the meet and won't chuck em out so someone can come in for 2-3 nights in late October.

Local hotel accomodation is growing and the new Hampton Inn will be ready by the 2008 meet-but I honestly don't feel that there's enough rooms at the top end of the market in the area. Where would the Breeders' Cup HQ hotel be? Where would the Media Hotel be? I can think of 1 hotel maybe 2 that could be used-but of course with all those rooms out of commission-that the guests who normally stay there are forced to look for inferior accomodation further out of town.

ARyan · #45 09-17-2007, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What fact did I present? I said say it is....That is using something as fact? You were at Saratoga this summer I'm sure. Was it ever in the 90's? And how am I very wrong? Am I wrong that there is no room for the people to hang if it gets to be colder than 50 degrees? Please enlighten me.

It was, but I would not say with such a resound attitude that 90 degrees is the norm for the summer. Your statement was made in such an authoritative way, as to make those believe 30 to 40 degree days are the average.

I feel we both agree on this, I just feel there are more logical reasons to dispute why having the BC will not be run at Saratoga. You have touched on many of those, but continuing to argue the weather case is beyond tedious. I do not think that boswd understands why it is not feasible for Saratoga to host a BC. Harping on the weather only keeps him going. List the dozen other reasons it will never happen and maybe this arguement will fade away.

saratogabrit · #46 09-17-2007, 11:33 AM

[quote=saratogabrit]People who own rental properties won't be able to accomodate anyone. Those that rent to Skidmore will be full, those who rent for the meet and then rent to people who work locally want to have someone renting within 1 week of the end of the meet and won't chuck em out so someone can come in for 2-3 nights in late October.

Local hotel accomodation is growing and the new Hampton Inn will be ready by the 2008 meet-but I honestly don't feel that there's enough rooms at the top end of the market in the area. Where would the Breeders' Cup HQ hotel be? Where would the Media Hotel be? I can think of 1 hotel maybe 2 that just aboutcould be used-but of course with all those rooms out of commission-that the guests who normally stay there are forced to look for inferior accomodation further out of town.

ARyan · #47 09-17-2007, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

The weather needs to be discussed, because it is a factor. I'm not a weatherman, but I've spent enough time at that track to know that 90 seems like the norm there. Especially with 30-40 thousand people. I also don't think it's way off kilter to suggest it might be 30-40 degrees on a given day come BC time. Which would be fine at a place like Belmont where there is ample room for people inside. Not at Saratoga and that is a fact. Which is what my point has been from the start.

I think the statement in bold is why I normally choose not to talk to you. You seem to think you know more then facts.

I tried to be nice and have a discussion with you. I even tried pointing out what I felt was some very poignant statements that you used that were not purely based on the weather. Its my fault for even trying. You know it all, everyone else is wrong.

Have a great day.

ARyan · #48 09-17-2007, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

My loss obviously. Stop being a bitch. This was a civil conversation. Nothing I said in the last post was at all rude. I said it felt like 90 is how it usually feels there. Wow. How rude of me...

Again, your class shines above any decent conversation you are willing to have.

saratogabrit · #49 09-17-2007, 11:51 AM

And wouldn't there be a problem with seats? Saratoga is possibly unique amongst tracks that the bulk of the seats are sold either for the whole meet or the bulk of the meet and that most people either keep the same seats or move closer to the Box Seats as years go by.

Breeders' Cup takes over for the 2 days and the norm is that all the best seats in the house-so probably all the clubhouse seats-would be taken out of circulation and their usual occupants forced to enter a lottery for seats in tents 5 miles from the finish line

Ronnie · #50 09-17-2007, 11:53 AM

It rarely reaches 90 degrees in Saratoga...maybe 2 days this Summer.

Ronnie · #51 09-17-2007, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie

It rarely reaches 90 degrees in Saratoga...maybe 2 days this Summer.

I just checked. It hit 90 four times during the meet. I think this was a rare year. Some years it has never hit 90.

http://www.cbs6albany.com/sections/weather/historical/

ARyan · #52 09-17-2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by saratogabrit

And wouldn't there be a problem with seats? Saratoga is possibly unique amongst tracks that the bulk of the seats are sold either for the whole meet or the bulk of the meet and that most people either keep the same seats or move closer to the Box Seats as years go by.

Breeders' Cup takes over for the 2 days and the norm is that all the best seats in the house-so probably all the clubhouse seats-would be taken out of circulation and their usual occupants forced to enter a lottery for seats in tents 5 miles from the finish line

I would love to know where the workforce would come from? Are you going to ship up everyone from Belmont? I would love to see the cost of that. Are you going to pay for them to stay in Saratoga for 2 or 3 days? Would you be able to find enough people to hire from this area, and have them trained for a 3 or 4 day meet?

You have to clean and have ready all the dorms, bathrooms, stables, etc.

How about all the parimutuel equipment? That all has to be shipped up and tested in a matter of hours.

What about food and bev?

There are many more logistical issues, these are just a few off the top of my head.

boswd · #53 09-17-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ARyan

It was, but I would not say with such a resound attitude that 90 degrees is the norm for the summer. Your statement was made in such an authoritative way, as to make those believe 30 to 40 degree days are the average.

I feel we both agree on this, I just feel there are more logical reasons to dispute why having the BC will not be run at Saratoga. You have touched on many of those, but continuing to argue the weather case is beyond tedious. I do not think that boswd understands why it is not feasible for Saratoga to host a BC. Harping on the weather only keeps him going. List the dozen other reasons it will never happen and maybe this arguement will fade away.

The reason I think they won't host the BC is the simple fact that Belmont and Saratoga both share the same equipment and it just isn't feasable for NYRA to strip down Belmont again for just the weekend and then having to strip down Saratoga and move it all back to Belmont where it is already set up and ready to go.

ARyan · #54 09-17-2007, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by boswd

The reason I think they won't host the BC is the simple fact that Belmont and Saratoga both share the same equipment and it just isn't feasable for NYRA to strip down Belmont again for just the weekend and then having to strip down Saratoga and move it all back to Belmont where it is already set up and ready to go.

Very much agreed. I believe that is a huge reason as well.

boswd · #55 09-17-2007, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ARyan

I would love to know where the workforce would come from? Are you going to ship up everyone from Belmont? I would love to see the cost of that. Are you going to pay for them to stay in Saratoga for 2 or 3 days? Would you be able to find enough people to hire from this area, and have them trained for a 3 or 4 day meet?

You have to clean and have ready all the dorms, bathrooms, stables, etc.

How about all the parimutuel equipment? That all has to be shipped up and tested in a matter of hours.

What about food and bev?

There are many more logistical issues, these are just a few off the top of my head.

My brother is a teller for NYRA and has been shipped in for BC Day at Belmont, Arlington, Churchill and Gulfstreaam and KY Derby Day. The BC committee sends them in from other tracks is the need is there.

ARyan · #56 09-17-2007, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by boswd

My brother is a teller for NYRA and has been shipped in for BC Day at Belmont, Arlington, Churchill and Gulfstreaam and KY Derby Day. The BC committee sends them in from other tracks is the need is there.

I did not know that. Interesting...

Do they pay for all his travel, and give him a per diem?

saratogabrit · #57 09-17-2007, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by boswd

My brother is a teller for NYRA and has been shipped in for BC Day at Belmont, Arlington, Churchill and Gulfstreaam and KY Derby Day. The BC committee sends them in from other tracks is the need is there.

Agreed. A friend of mine from Saratoga is a teller and he's on the reserve list to go to Monmouth.

boswd · #58 09-17-2007, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ARyan

I did not know that. Interesting...

Do they pay for all his travel, and give him a per diem?

No for the most part you are on your own in terms of finding accomdations. They gave him a list of recommendations they give you meal vouchers and a very nice paycheck.

boswd · #59 09-17-2007, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by boswd

No for the most part you are on your own in terms of finding accomdations. They gave him a list of recommendations they give you meal vouchers and a very nice paycheck.

And oh yes you have to pay for your own travel expenses

saratogabrit · #60 09-17-2007, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Huh? The weather is beautiful? I give up. You might have gotten lucky for one day when you closed on your condo, but for the most part it's cold. I'm sure Albany Airport would be fine.

I don't believe Albany Airport would be fine at all. There's only 1 Breeders' Cup venue that doesn't have an airport that flies direct to the majority of the cities in the US and overseas-and that's Churchill.

But Louisville Airport has more flights a day than Albany and is also less than half the distance to the nearest Hub/International Airport than Albany is.

During the meet a steady stream of people are coming and going but when Breeders' Cup ever came to town everyone would arrive in a 48-72 hour time span