A new poll - for men only

[fpsoxfan]

Sure, it was nice to see Student Council win, but the final time is what did it for me. Does it even the playing field? Yes Does it make us all handicap differently? Yes Is it safer for horses? Most likely Is it real horse racing?
No way

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

If you think the poly will change the future of the breed I have a bridge to seel you also. Maybe I'm too simplistic. Student phucking Council just won the Pacific Classic. Sorry if seeing his name up there with past winners of the Pacific Classic bothers me. It used to be a prestigious race. Now it's the Claiming Crown Classic.

You must still be really pissed off about Sutra, too, eh?

**** happens.

Horses who shouldn't be GI winners become GI winners from time to time.

[booner]

I'll take the race. Something about a 385 pound woman spinning around a pole on an elevated stage doesn't sound appealing.......but maybe it's just me.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I hate it that chicks can't have a say in this thread.

Oops.

hell, chicks werent even supposed to read this thread! i guess chicks never were able to follow instructions very well. so, go ahead and pipe in.

would you choose a 385 lb female stripper, or dmr poly?

[deltagulf]

me too i'll take the race. 385 is just to much.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

hell, chicks werent even supposed to read this thread! i guess chicks never were able to follow instructions very well. so, go ahead and pipe in.

would you choose a 385 lb female stripper, or dmr poly?

Do I look like the type to follow instructions?

[philcski]

I'll take the size-challenged chick that was terrible!

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Which would be more enjoyable?

Watching a grade 1 race run over the Del Mar poly track?

OR

Watching a 385 pound woman do a strip teaze?

How about turning this into the most mind boggling phenomenon...

and then adding the third choice of reading The Petition to Let Morton out of his playroom thread.


too easy forget it.

Where was the really good horses will win on any surface idea gone?

I believe some Euros have come over here, run backwards on a foreign surface (dirt) and won.
Maybe this will give us the chance to witness a true superstar. Wins on dirt, grass, and syn. You cant beat this horse on anything. I looking forward to the possibilty. The stuff is not going anywhere soon. And if NY puts some in, and it catches and spreads... the Universe as we know it will fold in on itself creating infinite space in the smallest possible volume. It could be that catastrophic.
When Baffert quits, we know the calamity is upon us. Big crybaby.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Maybe this will give us the chance to witness a true superstar. Wins on dirt, grass, and syn. You cant beat this horse on anything.

Lava Man has already won on all three of those and you can beat him on anything.

[jerseybred]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Which would be more enjoyable?

Watching a grade 1 race run over the Del Mar poly track?

OR

Watching a 385 pound woman do a strip teaze?

amazing the men only comment was obediently enterained .... in both cases you have to close your eyes so why even ask?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by jerseybred

amazing the men only comment was obediently enterained .... in both cases you have to close your eyes so why even ask?

yeah, i just put the men only thing in in the slim hope that i wouldnt be shredded by the women on here for using a 385 lb woman as an example!

i thought for sure i'd be banned, or at the very least, banished to morty land, a sad, lonely and desperate place.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Apples and oranges and you know that. Keep trying.

I don’t know that.

Explain.

Why doesn’t Student Council deserve to be a Grade I winner? Because of the slow time? Because of the way the race was run? Sutra’s was exactly the same thing, she accidentally won a Grade I race. I don’t see anything different about it. Is it the shape of the race, the way speed stopped, or the strength of the field? I could be talking about either Sutra or Student Council with those questions.

Stuff happens, and horses win races that they shouldn’t win on paper, and don’t deserve to win on paper. It’s no different than a horse winning from 20 lengths off in a six furlong Grade I after three horses go the opening half in 44 1/5 – the race is just given to them.

Obviously I’m missing the difference in what you’re saying, because I’m not seeing any legit reason to moan about Sunday’s result still.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I don’t know that.

Explain.

Why doesn’t Student Council deserve to be a Grade I winner? Because of the slow time? Because of the way the race was run? Sutra’s was exactly the same thing, she accidentally won a Grade I race. I don’t see anything different about it. Is it the shape of the race, the way speed stopped, or the strength of the field? I could be talking about either Sutra or Student Council with those questions.

Stuff happens, and horses win races that they shouldn’t win on paper, and don’t deserve to win on paper. It’s no different than a horse winning from 20 lengths off in a six furlong Grade I after three horses go the opening half in 44 1/5 – the race is just given to them.

Obviously I’m missing the difference in what you’re saying, because I’m not seeing any legit reason to moan about Sunday’s result still.

G1 races in the Classic Division are held to a far greater level of scrutiny than races from any other division (especially 2yo fillies). These races are supposed to be the best of the best.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

There is no way either one of us are going to chnge our opinion on this, so let's just agree to disagree.

Ok, if I don't explain anything that I think while asking what the problem is, then could you explain?

You're not explaining why it's different when Sutra wins a ridiculous Grade I than when Student Council wins one, except to say that it's apples and oranges, which I don't think it is. So I'm asking.

If you don't like the question and think I'm just badgering you, then I'll shut up.

I'm only asking for the sake of trying to understand because I'm clearly not getting where you're coming from.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

G1 races in the Classic Division are held to a far greater level of scrutiny than races from any other division (especially 2yo fillies). These races are supposed to be the best of the best.

So it's the field strength then?

That's a fair answer.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

So it's the field strength then?

That's a fair answer.

That and it just being the glamour division.

[Cajungator26]

This thread would have been so much better with some female intervention.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Ok, if I don't explain anything that I think while asking what the problem is, then could you explain?

You're not explaining why it's different when Sutra wins a ridiculous Grade I than when Student Council wins one, except to say that it's apples and oranges, which I don't think it is. So I'm asking.

If you don't like the question and think I'm just badgering you, then I'll shut up.

I'm only asking for the sake of trying to understand because I'm clearly not getting where you're coming from.

Sutra winning a G 1 was pretty ridiculous but those things happen with very lightly raced horses. In the Male dirt G 1 "division" just 10 years ago a horse like Student Council would have been 50-1 or 60-1 instead of 23-1. Horses like him could step into a G2 or G3 race and win but not in a G1. It just did not happen. That's the biggest problem, horses using G 1's as preps, making every race other than the BC a sub-plot. Then you toss in the Polytrack and and there's no longer any conventional wisdom. Peolpe just like their traditions, especially in horse racing. Personally, I don't care for the Polytrack but I don't bet Calif or Keeneland or AP anyway. But there certainly is opportunity for gain for people who can handicap it properly. I just think people are saddened that a race with the tradition and meaning like the Pacific Classic is compromised by the surface change.

[viscount26]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Do I look like the type to follow instructions?

Not from what I observed

[GPK]

Originally Posted by viscount26

Not from what I observed

You were drunk...what do you remember?