The Road Home

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Wow!
We agree!...at least on most of what you said.
I really don't know that the Dems won't fund more intelligence, so I'm not going to assume (cause whenever I do, it makes an ass of you and me).
As far as people paying attention, well, I'm thinkin' that many do. The rest might be just struggling to keep their heads above water (survive).
Timm, do you remember what Regan said? The quote about, "is your life better now than it was four years ago"?
So, back to an honest question:
How does the US find a way to disengage from Iraq?

btw...many prominent Repub Senators are aasking that question.

DTS: The Dems want to appease our enemies and raise our standing in the world! Frankly,when America ceases its' duplicity and stops currying favor from "mice that roar" we'll be much better off. you are correct about treading water...most live week to week or worse! My life isn't better now,for reasons I can't blame on the Administration(well..maybe Arnold for gutting WC) Judging by the results in Viet Nam...We must not bail on Iraq! I grieve daily about our soldiers dying but they are our response to the terrorists in ME and other places. That it can't be cleanly accomplished doesn't discount its' merits!

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

DTS: The Dems want to appease our enemies and raise our standing in the world! Frankly,when America ceases its' duplicity and stops currying favor from "mice that roar" we'll be much better off. you are correct about treading water...most live week to week or worse! My life isn't better now,for reasons I can't blame on the Administration(well..maybe Arnold for gutting WC) Judging by the results in Viet Nam...We must not bail on Iraq! I grieve daily about our soldiers dying but they are our response to the terrorists in ME and other places. That it can't be cleanly accomplished doesn't discount its' merits!

Well timm, I wouldn't go so far as to state that the dems want to appease our enemies. Seems to me that both parties have been lobbied very hard by Israel to fight their proxy war so we can keep them safe from their enemies.
It's not widely reported as to what this factors into the current situation. It pains me that their security is being bought with American blood.
Both parties have been whores.
Unfortunately, diplomacy is the only way out of this, and the ones in power aren't moving in that direction. Without dialogue, nothing will be accomplished. It will be Israel calling the shots from behind the screen, US soldiers (3601 so far) coming home in boxes, and people so preoccupied with living day-to-day that no notice is taken of the real story, nor the real tragedy.
This mess will end some day, though I agree that it won't be "cleanly accomplished".

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Well timm, I wouldn't go so far as to state that the dems want to appease our enemies. Seems to me that both parties have been lobbied very hard by Israel to fight their proxy war so we can keep them safe from their enemies.
It's not widely reported as to what this factors into the current situation. It pains me that their security is being bought with American blood.
Both parties have been whores.
Unfortunately, diplomacy is the only way out of this, and the ones in power aren't moving in that direction. Without dialogue, nothing will be accomplished. It will be Israel calling the shots from behind the screen, US soldiers (3601 so far) coming home in boxes, and people so preoccupied with living day-to-day that no notice is taken of the real story, nor the real tragedy.
This mess will end some day, though I agree that it won't be "cleanly accomplished".

You sure do have a thing about Israel! Israel is a strategic ally in the Middle East...a Democracy as are we. Why should we be diplomatic with countries who have sworn our destruction? Most of our actions have been to stabilize the region. Remember, the US gave a fortune to PLO as well as to Israel. Israel calling the shots in the US is another of your conspiracy theories. What are we to make of the gadflys who travel to Syria and Iraq and Iran,trumpeting a new idea for peace....for people who don't want it! I would say that is appeasement,or worse.