Post Position Draw List

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Too funny...

Well, the 13 looks like a definite toss.

[jman5581]

Curlin should take the 2 and use some speed early to get position in the second flight, I don't think this would take very much out of him....

And to the point trying to be made about being "frail".... Look, any horse could get bumped around at the start and have position compromised. It's not a quality of the horse and Curlin certainly hasn't shown the characteristics of a quitter!!

[ArlJim78]

I have always felt that it would be more fair to use another system, not a random order draw. They have strict rules to follow to get into the race, governed by the graded stakes earnings. But once you're in when it comes to the post position its just totally random order.

If it were me I would have two tiers. The top ten money earners would participate in a random draw for the first 10 post positions.

Then the bottom ten money earners would select in random order for the remaining ten positions.

Any system that allows Storminmay to choose first has to be changed imo.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by jman5581

Curlin should take the 2 and use some speed early to get position in the second flight, I don't think this would take very much out of him....

And to the point trying to be made about being "frail".... Look, any horse could get bumped around at the start and have position compromised. It's not a quality of the horse and Curlin certainly hasn't shown the characteristics of a quitter!!

Fair enough, but he has never been put in a situation to where he would throw in the towel. He has had weal fields and everything his own way. The horse is good and I loved him ever since he broke his maiden at Gulfstream. I was so sad to see the horse taken from Pitts but in this race, I dont think he shows.

[jman5581]

I don't see why it should be different than any other race. This is favoritism, plain and simple...They all pay the same entry fee right?

[ArlJim78]

I liked SNS last year and was really pleased when he got post 11 I believe.
All that was for naught however because within 50 yards he got cracked from the outside and was pushed in several pathes.

Its a bit of a crapshoot with regard to how cleanly your horse comes through the first turn no matter where they draw.

[jman5581]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I liked SNS last year and was really pleased when he got post 11 I believe.
All that was for naught however because within 50 yards he got cracked from the outside and was pushed in several pathes.

Its a bit of a crapshoot with regard to how cleanly your horse comes through the first turn no matter where they draw.

That's the truth of the matter.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I have always felt that it would be more fair to use another system, not a random order draw. They have strict rules to follow to get into the race, governed by the graded stakes earnings. But once you're in when it comes to the post position its just totally random order.

If it were me I would have two tiers. The top ten money earners would participate in a random draw for the first 10 post positions.

Then the bottom ten money earners would select in random order for the remaining ten positions.

Any system that allows Storminmay to choose first has to be changed imo.

I disagree. Why should it matter what post Storm in May chooses? If the favorite is such a great horse, he should win regardless, right? Do you really think the best position (which is what, by the way?) is going to give Storm in May a chance to win? Nah...

This is the fairest way of doing it IMO.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by jman5581

I don't see why it should be different than any other race. This is favoritism, plain and simple...They all pay the same entry fee right?

Because its not like any other race since it has twenty postions.
One year when there is a big favorite that is a real popular fan favorite that draws pp 20, then you're going to see people squealing for change.

I want to find the owner of a real contender who draws pp 20 who is not bitter and likes his chances.

[XIIPointStables]

Certainly not great news for AGS...we'll see how things fall tonight.

1, 19 or 20 seem to the logical landing spots.

Total earnings: 2 and 3 year old seasons, graded stakes races only....

$685,321

Cost of travel, stable and board, jockey fees, trainer fees, vet bills, medical expenses and entry fees...

$132,589

Purchase price at yearling sale, exclusive of agent's commission...

$450,000

Finding out you're getting the 19 post because Storm in May draw a better ping pong ball then you....

Priceless.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I disagree. Why should it matter what post Storm in May chooses? If the favorite is such a great horse, he should win regardless, right? Do you really think the best position (which is what, by the way?) is going to give Storm in May a chance to win? Nah...

This is the fairest way of doing it IMO.

In a regular race, yes. In a 20 horse scrum, it's not quite so easy to state that.

Plus, if Kaplan is smart, the Derby's already in the bag since we all know that the winner comes out of 9 this year.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I disagree. Why should it matter what post Storm in May chooses? If the favorite is such a great horse, he should win regardless, right? Do you really think the best position (which is what, by the way?) is going to give Storm in May a chance to win? Nah...

This is the fairest way of doing it IMO.

no it doesn't matter where Storm In May starts, and there is no one exact best post. However there are some that are nearly impossible in my view.

You would have no issues with Scat Daddy in PP20, and view his chances as just the same as any other pp?

I just think its not like other races because of trying to push so many horses through the same space.

I would be all for the total random system up to a point, but 20 horses is ridiculous.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by jman5581

That's the truth of the matter.

No it really isn't...any horse in any position can encounter problems that is true but the chances are greatly increased inside at CD...stand in the starting gate in post position #1 and look straight ahead...you'll see the inside rail...because of the track layout, inside horses will be squeezed and this will make for considerable bumping and many horses lose the race in the run to the first turn....the last winner from pp#1 was Ferdinand with the great Shoe aboard...he was a dead closer and the Shoe dropped him back and threaded the needle like only one of the all-time greats could do!

[jman5581]

ArlJim,

We all know the "real" solution is a track and field style start with the outside being progressively closer to the finish line

[MarkyD]

Has anybody ever won from the 19-20 hole ?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by jman5581

ArlJim,

We all know the "real" solution is a track and field style start with the outside being progressively closer to the finish line

HAHA, now that would be cool.

[jman5581]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

No it really isn't...any horse in any position can encounter problems that is true but the chances are greatly increased inside at CD...stand in the starting gate in post position #1 and look straight ahead...you'll see the inside rail...because of the track layout, inside horses will be squeezed and this will make for considerable bumping and many horses lose the race in the run to the first turn....the last winner from pp#1 was Ferdinand with the great Shoe aboard...he was a dead closer and the Shoe dropped him back and threaded the needle like only one of the all-time greats could do!

So, I see, no one else is capable of doing this ever again... fair enough.

[jman5581]

Originally Posted by MarkyD

Has anybody ever won from the 19-20 hole ?

Yes

[Buffymommy]

I think Hard Spun; Street Sense or Scat Daddy will be in the 9 hole Cajun.