Graded Earnings: Is there an alternative?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

LOL just no undies jokes!

sigh


i shall do my best!

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

you're the czar. good work.

I only got that because the walking and breathing Racing Almanac, DrugS, wasn't logged on.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by Danzig

don't forget smarty jones--talk about putting your eggs in one basket. his ark derby was his ONLY graded race. so by some folks logic, he should have been excluded?! howl utterly preposterous!!

the rules are the same for everyone leading up to the derby. your horse doesn't get enough graded $--tough. he does? great. you hit the jackpot.

Does Smarty take the Arkansas route if a point system was in play.....prob not. Looking into the past isnt viable.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

You're not serious, right?

Yes, what makes Tiago so much better than the ones you highlighted? Just because he won one race. Since when does one race make a good horse.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by whodey17

Does Smarty take the Arkansas route if a point system was in play.....prob not. Looking into the past isnt viable.

what is past is prologue....


if if if , what is there to be gained.
there is no points system, the system is in place, and everyone knows what it is. if or when it changes, i'm sure everyone will adjust.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by whodey17

Yes, what makes Tiago so much better than the ones you highlighted? Just because he won one race. Since when does one race make a good horse.

since when does placing in one or two make you better than a winner?

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by Danzig

since when does placing in one or two make you better than a winner?

When looking at one race it doesnt, but to me placing 2nd or 3rd in several Graded races is better than getting lucky in winning just 1 Graded race. I am focusing on the entire body of work. When looking at the entire body of work Tiago doesnt make the grade in my opinion.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by whodey17

When looking at one race it doesnt, but to me placing 2nd or 3rd in several Graded races is better than getting lucky in winning just 1 Graded race. I am focusing on the entire body of work. When looking at the entire body of work Tiago doesnt make the grade in my opinion.

What makes you say that Tiago got lucky? He ran a big number and it's not like the rest of the horses fell down in front of him. . .

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

What makes you say that Tiago got lucky? He ran a big number and it's not like the rest of the horses fell down in front of him. . .

I am not a beyer fig man at all. I could care less what the beyer was. Look at his entire resume. And he didnt put all his eggs in one basket. I believe he finished 7th in a Grade II earlier this year. He plodded up and won a race that completely feel apart at the end.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by whodey17

I am not a beyer fig man at all. I could care less what the beyer was. Look at his entire resume. And he didnt put all his eggs in one basket. I believe he finished 7th in a Grade II earlier this year. He plodded up and won a race that completely feel apart at the end.

That race did not fall apart at all IMO. . . You seem to think fairly highly of King of the Roxy, so I really don't understand your logic. . . It kind of worries me that you agree with me about Pyramid Love tommorow. ..

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

He has run 4 times. 2 wins and a 3rd, including a grade 1 win. What more would you like? Why should he be penalized for getting a late start?

You have avoided my posts in this thread, which has been wise because you cannot dispute them, but at some point even the captain of the titanic might have tried to jump off. Maybe you should think about doing this.

One win was from a DQ. He finished 3rd in a MSW and a 2 in a MSW and then 7th in the Bevelry Lewis beaten by a mile. Then he gets lucky and runs the race of his life. To me one race doesnt cut it.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

That race did not fall apart at all IMO. . . You seem to think fairly highly of King of the Roxy, so I really don't understand your logic. . . It kind of worries me that you agree with me about Pyramid Love tommorow. ..

I dont think highly of KOTR. I think he is more deserving than Tiago.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

He has run 4 times. 2 wins and a 3rd, including a grade 1 win. What more would you like? Why should he be penalized for getting a late start?

You have avoided my posts in this thread, which has been wise because you cannot dispute them, but at some point even the captain of the titanic might have tried to jump off. Maybe you should think about doing this.

I am sorry, what am I avoiding? I must have missed them.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Exactly. I am curious as to who might be excluded and more deserving for a Derby slot with Tiago in. It looks as though Chelokee might get in, so I can't think of anyone else that should get in over one of the possible runners.

I cant answer that right now. I dont know what the top 20 are and who is actually going in the Derby. I will glady answer this question when I have more information.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

So then why are you so against this guy running Euro? You basically have no arguement.

I am not against him running. I was using him as an example of a horse who will get in because he got lucky in one race. My stance is that horses who have complete resumes should be given more consideration over a horse who gets lucky in one Grade I race regardless of who the horse is.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Thankfully you have no say on who is in or out. I suppose the lucky thing is valid, only because he hasn't had the opportunity to prove you wrong. He might develop into a very good 3 year old. Maybe not, but like I said his potential and upside is so much more than that of Sam P, X Changer and others on your list, especially since he has beaten some on your list, while making just his 4th start.

He may turn out to be very good and I hope he does. I am just saying that 1 race should not get you a guaranteed spot in the Derby. Imagine if that maiden who ran in the Arkansas Derby won, then he would be in. How is that logical.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by whodey17

I am not against him running. I was using him as an example of a horse who will get in because he got lucky in one race. My stance is that horses who have complete resumes should be given more consideration over a horse who gets lucky in one Grade I race regardless of who the horse is.

What exactly is Xchanger's complete resume? 5th in an ungraded stakes and 7th in a G3 as a 3yo? Much more impressive than winning a G1.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

What exactly is Xchanger's complete resume? 5th in an ungraded stakes and 7th in a G3 as a 3yo? Much more impressive than winning a G1.

He has raced in 5 Graded events. He has won 1, two 3rds 6th and 7th. So he has been in the battles. Not saying he is better than Tiago, saying that looking at the entire body of work his is better in my opinion.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by whodey17

Yes, what makes Tiago so much better than the ones you highlighted? Just because he won one race. Since when does one race make a good horse.

He won the GI Santa Anita Derby. I also thought Castledale was better than some he was running against, no doubt.

[whodey17]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

He won the GI Santa Anita Derby. I also thought Castledale was better than some he was running against, no doubt.

There are tons of examples where a horse got lucky and won a Grade I event. Again, one race doesnt make a horse.