Tiago's Beyers???

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

from what I understand the Moss' want Mike to ride all their horses from here on out and was one of the reasons he is going back to socal. (among others, like riding like **** in ny).

I'm sure he wont be too busy

[TitanSooner]

[Originally Posted by Kimmeastar
Name one who ran last weekend and won outside of California.]

Time Squared.. 4/6 Keeneland Race 5
Rathor.. 4/6 Keeneland Race 8
Ermine.. 4/7 Oaklawn (Apple Blossom.. Take D Tour ran 2nd)

shall I keep going? oh, you just wanted ONE

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by TitanSooner

[Originally Posted by Kimmeastar
Name one who ran last weekend and won outside of California.]

Time Squared.. 4/6 Keeneland Race 5
Rathor.. 4/6 Keeneland Race 8
Ermine.. 4/7 Oaklawn (Apple Blossom.. Take D Tour ran 2nd)

shall I keep going? oh, you just wanted ONE

kimmmeaster is trolling, i think posting the obvious just fuels their fire.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'm sure he wont be too busy

mike not busy, thats funny.......the guy never stops ( :

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

last weekend, you mean one weekend out of 52, out of say 520 weeks the past decade.

give me a break, you lose credibility with statements such as this, an others you throw around. If you say something like this others might not call you out but I will.

I sure don't see you posting anything here worth talking about.I posted my opinion,and others have posted theirs.So people disagree with me.Big deal.But you have nothing to say.So you sir,are the one with no credibility.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

kimmmeaster is trolling, i think posting the obvious just fuels their fire.

I'm talking about 3 year olds.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

I'm talking about 3 year olds.

I am sure you were after getting called out on your post.....backpedal.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I am sure you were after getting called out on your post.....backpedal.

I Am done with you!!!! Troll

[TitanSooner]

oh.. I get it..

so of the three races.. Ill derby, wood, bayshore (do those fit your criteria)

21 entries, 3 from CA, one which was 100-1

none of them won! THEREFORE -> ALL CALIFORNIA HORSES STINK

Oh yeah... I remember logic class.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by TitanSooner

oh.. I get it..

so of the three races.. Ill derby, wood, bayshore (do those fit your criteria)

21 entries, 3 from CA, one which was 100-1

none of them won! THEREFORE -> ALL CALIFORNIA HORSES STINK

Oh yeah... I remember logic class.

Okay,how about the triple crown trail then?I'm not fighting with you.Just talking horses and racing.Cool down

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

Okay,how about the triple crown trail then?I'm not fighting with you.Just talking horses and racing.Cool down

You tell him, Biggie. Tupac gets heated sometimes.

But yo....

[TitanSooner]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

You tell him, Biggie. Tupac gets heated sometimes.

But yo....

where did you get my picture?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

If you read this thread from the beginning,you will see there are a ton of people abuzz about this horse.
I have a right to disagree with all of them and Steve if I want.And he,and you and whoever else,have a right to disagree with me.That is just fine.That is how a forum works.I never said Steve was predicting a win,and that was not the topic we were discussing.Don't know how you got that.As far as my derby horse,I do not have one and will not until the first saturday in May,when I have the DRF in front of me.But I do know that Tiago will not be him.
Monsters?Everything east of California,those monsters.

Why do you claim to have the right to disagree with people talking about Tiago? Did anyone try to deny you that right?

I thought your taking such execption to Steve saying to not ignore the horse may have been mistakenly based on thinking that he was predicting a win.

So to you a monster is any horse outside of California and you start your handicapping on Derby saturday with the racing form. okaaay. very well then, but this sounds foolish. In one sense you are saying you haven't even started handicapping yet, while at the same time you are ruling out any horse from California? That is very arbitrary.

Each horse should be evaluated on its merits not based on the state where they prepped. In general I would agree that the CA horses are not overly strong this year, but its too soon to start ruling out an entire region haphazardly. I would for sure not rule out Great Hunter or Tiago at this point.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by TitanSooner

[Originally Posted by Kimmeastar
Name one who ran last weekend and won outside of California.]

Time Squared.. 4/6 Keeneland Race 5
Rathor.. 4/6 Keeneland Race 8
Ermine.. 4/7 Oaklawn (Apple Blossom.. Take D Tour ran 2nd)

shall I keep going? oh, you just wanted ONE

You're claiming a NYB who made two starts in Cal and was favored in the Sham as a MAIDEN, a horse that ran most of her career in the midwest and made her last start in California, an Irish bred that had been running in NY, and a Florida bred that had been running mostly in NY as Cali's? That's a stretch, at best.

Listen, Tiago has as much chance as say Cowtown Cat or Scat Daddy in my mind. Less than 10% but more than 3%. If I get 25-1 I'll be interested.

This horse will be REALLY GOOD at 4, 5, 6. I'd rather he DIDNT win the Derby and get swept off to stud.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Why do you claim to have the right to disagree with people talking about Tiago? Did anyone try to deny you that right?

I thought your taking such execption to Steve saying to not ignore the horse may have been mistakenly based on thinking that he was predicting a win.

So to you a monster is any horse outside of California and you start your handicapping on Derby saturday with the racing form. okaaay. very well then, but this sounds foolish. In one sense you are saying you haven't even started handicapping yet, while at the same time you are ruling out any horse from California? That is very arbitrary.

Each horse should be evaluated on its merits not based on the state where they prepped. In general I would agree that the CA horses are not overly strong this year, but its too soon to start ruling out an entire region haphazardly. I would for sure not rule out Great Hunter or Tiago at this point.

Great Hunter is the goods. Every passing day I like his chances more.

[TitanSooner]

Originally Posted by philcski

Great Hunter is the goods. Every passing day I like his chances more.

agreed.. His Lewis was impressive

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

you got it, this is the same poster who stated california horses cannot ship and win.....lost all credit as someone with valuable opinion after reading that.

Exactly, was oh so quick to throw Lava Man under the bus after Dubai but conveniently left off the awesome performances of English Channel and Miesque's Approval or Host and Honey Rider.

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar

Name one who ran last weekend and won outside of California.

How about Ermine finally winning after getting out of California?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

How about Ermine finally winning after getting out of California?

stop, I pointed that out in another thread and got crickets in response.

look, socal horses are not nearly as deep as they used to be, but the contentions posted by Kim are just absurd and wreek of bias.

I was not really impressed by anything this past weekend and if Tiago is 30/1 in the derby I would use him, but he wont be.

What I find absolutely mind boggling is why people are not more estatic with Tiago, and Giacomo to an extent. Its a reason why Barbaro was 6/1 instead of about 7/2 last year.

Its the Giacomo Syndrome, where horses with little chance are wildly overbet becuase they are long shots in these triple crown races. Remember the preakness after the derby giacomo won, all the horses were less then 20/1, even going wild who ran dead last in the derby was like 18/1.

I think seeing longshots win is a very good thing. It helps odds in future races and maybe, just maybe gets a few trainers out of the barn and take a chance, instead of waiting and scratching like frankel does, or even worse was spwar scratching bordonaro last weekend for a bad post.

[slotdirt]

Question: what kind of final furlong times do you all look for in a Derby prep? I've always thought anything sub-12 was noteworthy (think Afleet Alex, 2005 AR Derby). What do we make of the final furlong times from Saturday and the earlier preps?