Sun King - Page 3

Cajungator26 · #41 02-13-2007, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Fine.....let's thorwout Barbaro's Derby performance than.

What do we have left?

A maiden win on the Delaware Park turf course. A pair of stake wins on turf at Calder and Laurel. And a pair of stakes wins on dirt at GP....at the expense of Great Point and Sharp Humor....neither performance by a large margin of victory.

Different scenario, wouldn't you agree? I would wager to say that the majority of posters on here most likely had Barbaro on their tickets with a realistic chance at winning the derby. I couldn't say the same with Giacomo. The 2005 and 2006 derbies were as different as night and day.

The Indomitable DrugS · #42 02-13-2007, 03:06 PM

Both Barbaro and Giacomo got the absolute circumstances they needed in the race.

I bet on the latter and not the former.

The Indomitable DrugS · #43 02-13-2007, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Yeah, horses all over America, and probably Europe as well, are literally quaking in their stalls after Sir Greeley's scintilating performance the other day.

Perhaps Smokey Stover will ship in for the race....

The owner has been bugging the trainer to "stretch him out" --- so the Carter and Met Mile may be possible for him. Those connections aren't affraid to ship East.

Cajungator26 · #44 02-13-2007, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Both Barbaro and Giacomo got the absolute circumstances they needed in the race.

I bet on the latter and not the former.

Mad props to you, then... I tossed Giacomo first thing and didn't even use him. I just couldn't see him winning... too slow.

#45 02-13-2007, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor

Yeah, and Upset beat Man O War, hence the second meaning of upset(At least that's what robert Wuhl said)......Does that make him a better horse?? No..
It all depends on pace scenarios, which is the main reason i go with early speed..Sometimes, stretch runners cant "get up" in time..

Upset beat man o war three times?????

Once maybe luck, heck even twice, but all three times! In the Classic they even had the same running style and were at similar positions at calls throughout the race, he just got outrun when the real running started.

I know, Easy Goer was a much better horse then sunday silence, head to head races in the derby, preakness and breeders cup are throwouts.

slotdirt · #46 02-13-2007, 03:11 PM

Sun King absolutely did NOT have the same running style as Giacomo in two of their three meetings.

Cajungator26 · #47 02-13-2007, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Upset beat man o war three times?????

Once maybe luck, heck even twice, but all three times! In the Classic they even had the same running style and were at similar positions at calls throughout the race, he just got outrun when the real running started.

I know, Easy Goer was a much better horse then sunday silence, head to head races in the derby, preakness and breeders cup are throwouts.

I still believe that Easy Goer was the better of the two, but unsound and that was the difference.

Danzig · #48 02-13-2007, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I still believe that Easy Goer was the better of the two, but unsound and that was the difference.

i don't. easy goer was better in new york. and this is coming from an easy goer fan! sunday silence earned my respect, and no way i could say i feel that easy goer was the better horse. he was talented as hell, but sunday silence was amazing.

Cajungator26 · #49 02-13-2007, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188

i don't. easy goer was better in new york. and this is coming from an easy goer fan! sunday silence earned my respect, and no way i could say i feel that easy goer was the better horse. he was talented as hell, but sunday silence was amazing.

Well, if anything, Sunday Silence was definitely better in the breeding shed, but on the track, I'd take Easy Goer. Wasn't there some controversy regarding Sunday Silence?

The Indomitable DrugS · #50 02-13-2007, 03:17 PM

Easy Goer made 11 starts at age 3....and won 6 Grade 1 races.

I don't think soundness issues had anything to do with SS beating him.

He was a super horse, who wasn't quite able to crack the tactically gifted (and also great) Sunday Silence. I also believe EG was the more impressive of the two horses, it just wasn't apperant when they met up.

blackthroatedwind · #51 02-13-2007, 03:17 PM

You what's nice about Sun King? EVERY time you bring him up on any board it gets an extensive argument, usually involving DrugS, which is a lot more than can be said for most horses.

He's a pretty good horse....and he's still racing.

blackthroatedwind · #52 02-13-2007, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Easy Goer made 11 starts at age 3....and won 6 Grade 1 races.

I don't think soundness issues had anything to do with SS beating him.

He was a super horse, who wasn't quite able to crack the tactically gifted (and also great) Sunday Silence. I also believe EG was the more impressive of the two horses, it just wasn't apperant when they met up.

In all fairness, the Derby was a muddy track and the Preakness was a Pat Day horror show of the highest order.

The Indomitable DrugS · #53 02-13-2007, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

In all fairness, the Derby was a muddy track and the Preakness was a Pat Day horror show of the highest order.

And he tried to duck into the gap..and ran in spots in the Classic.

He didn't look like an easy horse to ride....and certainly wasn't fond of the off-tracks at CD.

#54 02-13-2007, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

In all fairness, the Derby was a muddy track and the Preakness was a Pat Day horror show of the highest order.

oh sure, blame the little guy..........

Hickory Hill Hoff · #55 02-13-2007, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

In all fairness, the Derby was a muddy track and the Preakness was a Pat Day horror show of the highest order.

AMEN!

Hickory Hill Hoff · #56 02-13-2007, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

And he tried to duck into the gap..and ran in spots in the Classic.

He didn't look like an easy horse to ride....and certainly wasn't fond of the off-tracks at CD.

after all...he was "New York's...EASY GOER...in front!"

Hickory Hill Hoff · #57 02-13-2007, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

oh sure, blame the little guy..........

10 pnt, put Cordero or anyone else on him...and he would have been "horse of the year" in '89.

Hickory Hill Hoff · #58 02-13-2007, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

Sun King's finest race was when he closed from out of the clouds and nailed Kazoo on the line. It was last spring at Keeneland I believe. It was awesome to watch.

That was his best race by far...after that victory, Zito should have kept him sprinting.
Loved him in last year's Met Mile, just missing. I always thought SK was at a disadvantage going more than a mile & an sixteenth.
I know isn't many grade I races sprinting during the summer, but if Zito wants his grade I with SK...
a mile or less is the only way he's gonna get it.

blackthroatedwind · #59 02-13-2007, 04:04 PM

Well, he had Commentator for the Forego and even though it obviously didn't work out he was even money and Sun King was still 2-1 30 minutes later in another Grade 1.

#60 02-13-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

10 pnt, put Cordero or anyone else on him...and he would have been "horse of the year" in '89.

yea, and sunday silence had some crack head on his back, how good might he have been with a clean rider!