NBA Playoffs

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

he is too slow to stay with howard when he comes out on the high pick and roll. It was pretty funny earlier in the thread when cannon actually brought wallace up as a viable defender. Wallace is done.

Having said all of this, I can't help but think the NBA will do all they can to make sure Lebron reaches that final. That call he got with .5 seconds was the most sickening display i have seen since jordan was playing.

Wallace is too slow but he's still far faster than Ilgauskas. At this point they have to play Wallace at the 5 when Varejao is out with how well Orlando is executing the pick and roll. Z should only be an option in this series when both Verejao and Wallace have fouled out.

Yeah, that was a tough block that put Lebron on the line.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

he is too slow to stay with howard when he comes out on the high pick and roll. It was pretty funny earlier in the thread when cannon actually brought wallace up as a viable defender. Wallace is done.

Having said all of this, I can't help but think the NBA will do all they can to make sure Lebron reaches that final. That call he got with .5 seconds was the most sickening display i have seen since jordan was playing.

Of all your dumb posts this one ranks right up there. Where were all the other foul calls down the stretch that could have bailed out Lebron when he was driving to the lane and there was contact? You cant just fall down in front of a guy, especially in that situation and not expect a foul call. There is no doubt that the NBA has a problem with its refs but they have been inconsistent both ways. And LeBron does cover the PG for the 100th time. Not to mention that Wallace played Howard pretty well last night including blocking a dunk attempt. He is obviously not the same player but can and did contribute. He was a bad matchup for Lewis at the end but it was a perfectly executed pick play and it is hard to believe that anyone would have been able to come through that pick and defend Lewis' shot. The fact is that Orlando has hit an unusually high percentage of three point shots, the french guy and Alston in particular. If they dont hit just one of those shots, they lose. And I guess West is too short to do a good job defensively on the Turk too.

[the_fat_man]

This has to be killing the douchebag Stern. He puts all this effort into fixing the results with all these calls for James and the Magic are basically sticking up his ass. If we could only have him at the games and have the cameras find him whenever the Magic make a clutch shot (after yet another foul call for James) it would be absolutely priceless.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Of all your dumb posts this one ranks right up there. Where were all the other foul calls down the stretch that could have bailed out Lebron when he was driving to the lane and there was contact? You cant just fall down in front of a guy, especially in that situation and not expect a foul call. There is no doubt that the NBA has a problem with its refs but they have been inconsistent both ways. And LeBron does cover the PG for the 100th time. Not to mention that Wallace played Howard pretty well last night including blocking a dunk attempt. He is obviously not the same player but can and did contribute. He was a bad matchup for Lewis at the end but it was a perfectly executed pick play and it is hard to believe that anyone would have been able to come through that pick and defend Lewis' shot. The fact is that Orlando has hit an unusually high percentage of three point shots, the french guy and Alston in particular. If they dont hit just one of those shots, they lose. And I guess West is too short to do a good job defensively on the Turk too.

Anybody who watched the game knows that wasnt a foul and if you are going to make that call, you have to make the call on the other end against verijao(sp) when BOTH FELL. LOL. Seriously, if you would like i can put you on intercom and explain the game as it happens. Beyond that, I have offered classes and you havent taken me up...yet

As far as defending the point guard, my point was made over the last two games. Rafer alston scores 18 and 26. If lebron is supposed to be defending, then he cant defend him. If he can defend him, then he simply is NOT defending him or else he wouldnt be scoring 26 points. Either way, im right and you are looking more and more foolish trying to hold on to this stupid position.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Anybody who watched the game knows that wasnt a foul and if you are going to make that call, you have to make the call on the other end against verijao(sp) when BOTH FELL. LOL. Seriously, if you would like i can put you on intercom and explain the game as it happens. Beyond that, I have offered classes and you havent taken me up...yet

As far as defending the point guard, my point was made over the last two games. Rafer alston scores 18 and 26. If lebron is supposed to be defending, then he cant defend him. If he can defend him, then he simply is NOT defending him or else he wouldnt be scoring 26 points. Either way, im right and you are looking more and more foolish trying to hold on to this stupid position.

That was a great no call. It was a lob situation and both players have equal rights to the ball. It is arguable who initiated the contact (probably Verajao but it wasn't definitive) but it was 100% clear that Howard reached in and got tangled up. To call a foul on one player or the other when both are going for a lob would be as atrocious as two guys bumping into each other on a jump ball and picking one out and calling the foul on them.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Anybody who watched the game knows that wasnt a foul and if you are going to make that call, you have to make the call on the other end against verijao(sp) when BOTH FELL. LOL. Seriously, if you would like i can put you on intercom and explain the game as it happens. Beyond that, I have offered classes and you havent taken me up...yet

As far as defending the point guard, my point was made over the last two games. Rafer alston scores 18 and 26. If lebron is supposed to be defending, then he cant defend him. If he can defend him, then he simply is NOT defending him or else he wouldnt be scoring 26 points. Either way, im right and you are looking more and more foolish trying to hold on to this stupid position.

He guards the PG. The reasoning is clear but he does guard the PG. And there was no foul on the lob because Howard had hooked the hairy guys arm. Watch the play and stop listening to Doug Collins.

The last second play with James was and always will be a foul, especially in that situation. Not even debatable. If there is contact and the defensive player doesnt have position and impedes a path to the basket it will be a foul.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

That was a great no call. It was a lob situation and both players have equal rights to the ball. It is arguable who initiated the contact (probably Verajao but it wasn't definitive) but it was 100% clear that Howard reached in and got tangled up. To call a foul on one player or the other when both are going for a lob would be as atrocious as two guys bumping into each other on a jump ball and picking one out and calling the foul on them.

Listen Dala is not wrong. Just ask her. She insists that Lebron james doesnt cover the other teams PG despite the entire world seeing it. The reasoning doesnt change the fact. But she is right.

[Cannon Shell]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....ap/index.html

This was a ridiculous call though it is troubling that so many technicals that are called are being reversed. The NBA has a real problem with its refs.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He guards the PG. The reasoning is clear but he does guard the PG. And there was no foul on the lob because Howard had hooked the hairy guys arm. Watch the play and stop listening to Doug Collins.

The last second play with James was and always will be a foul, especially in that situation. Not even debatable. If there is contact and the defensive player doesnt have position and impedes a path to the basket it will be a foul.

If he guards the pg, then he cant "guard" hiim because he scored 26 and rafer hasnt scored 26 since his name was still skiptomylou...and that was like 10 years ago. That doesnt seem to be getting through for some reason.

As far as the last second play, i dont think you watched it. here is the highlight about a minute in so you can see. Offensive player lowers shoulder to initiate contact and barely brushes defensive player...with .5 seconds left in defensive player's arena. Are you kidding me? Who else gets that call?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jBeG5S_NQQ

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

That was a great no call. It was a lob situation and both players have equal rights to the ball. It is arguable who initiated the contact (probably Verajao but it wasn't definitive) but it was 100% clear that Howard reached in and got tangled up. To call a foul on one player or the other when both are going for a lob would be as atrocious as two guys bumping into each other on a jump ball and picking one out and calling the foul on them.

I agree. I think it was a great no call. Thats not my point. My point is, you cant make that call at the other end and not make this call. WAtch the link again snipe and tell me what you think.

It was a great no call. I think there should have been one on the other end as well.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

If he guards the pg, then he cant "guard" hiim because he scored 26 and rafer hasnt scored 26 since his name was still skiptomylou...and that was like 10 years ago. That doesnt seem to be getting through for some reason.

As far as the last second play, i dont think you watched it. here is the highlight about a minute in so you can see. Offensive player lowers shoulder to initiate contact and barely brushes defensive player...with .5 seconds left in defensive player's arena. Are you kidding me? Who else gets that call?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jBeG5S_NQQ

LeBron is matched up on defensive with the PG under the defensive scheme set up by the Cavs. Simple. You claimed he wasnt or couldnt or smething else. The success of that PG is immaterial since as you have pointed out so many times that he roams on defense.

I dont see LeBron ever "lower" his shoulder until he was falling down. When there is contact and the defensive player hasnt established position, it is a foul. It was an easy call.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I agree. I think it was a great no call. Thats not my point. My point is, you cant make that call at the other end and not make this call. WAtch the link again snipe and tell me what you think.

It was a great no call. I think there should have been one on the other end as well.

what does one call have to do with another? One was a guy driving to the baskket with the ball. The other was a scrum where both players got tangled up without the ball.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

LeBron is matched up on defensive with the PG under the defensive scheme set up by the Cavs. Simple. You claimed he wasnt or couldnt or smething else. The success of that PG is immaterial since as you have pointed out so many times that he roams on defense.

I dont see LeBron ever "lower" his shoulder until he was falling down. When there is contact and the defensive player hasnt established position, it is a foul. It was an easy call.

You are just being silly and stubborn now but i think its funny. Rafer scored 18 and 26 on successive nights. If lebron is lined up against the poiint, he cant cover the point so im right. If he is playing a one man zone, which you denied earlier in the thread, you were wrong again. Lebron can't guard point guards. Period. Even bad ones like Alston. Thats why as soon as he started scoring, they switched lebron off so someone could play honest defense. Rafer had 26 chuck. Rafer alston. Think about that.

If you dont see lebron lower his shoulder, then i have another link for you: www.lenscrafter.com

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

what does one call have to do with another? One was a guy driving to the baskket with the ball. The other was a scrum where both players got tangled up without the ball.

Both questionable contact fouls at the end of the game. It was obvious verajao rode him out. Enough for a call? No...but it was just as much a no call as the other. And if you dont get that, i cant help you cannon. Not even my saturday class can help you there.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Both questionable contact fouls at the end of the game. It was obvious verajao rode him out. Enough for a call? No...but it was just as much a no call as the other. And if you dont get that, i cant help you cannon. Not even my saturday class can help you there.

the first call was not questionable. The second one was entirely different situation and Howard locked Varejoa arm first which makes him riding him out moot.

Cannon Shell created not only the basketball...he also created the circle. Like he was the first ever to make a circle.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You are just being silly and stubborn now but i think its funny. Rafer scored 18 and 26 on successive nights. If lebron is lined up against the poiint, he cant cover the point so im right. If he is playing a one man zone, which you denied earlier in the thread, you were wrong again. Lebron can't guard point guards. Period. Even bad ones like Alston. Thats why as soon as he started scoring, they switched lebron off so someone could play honest defense. Rafer had 26 chuck. Rafer alston. Think about that.

If you dont see lebron lower his shoulder, then i have another link for you: www.lenscrafter.com

At what point does he lower his shoulder? When he is falling after making contact with the defensive player. It is a foul.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Cannon Shell created not only the basketball...he also created the circle. Like he was the first ever to make a circle.

so guys like you could have a circle jerk

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

At what point does he lower his shoulder? When he is falling after making contact with the defensive player. It is a foul.

If it were a foul, how come the other refs arent making the call? Only the back ref blew the whistle. If it were such an obvious call, where were the other refs? I realize the back ref is supposed to follow the ball, but the ref underneath the basket doesnt blow the whistle and the call was made in the paint. I know that is a little advanced for you but try to understand.

He lowered his shoulder before he brushed him and fell because there wasnt any contact. Why else did he fall forward? LOL. The call is done and there is no use deliberating over it. The statement that the call is "obvious" is just dumb.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

the first call was not questionable. The second one was entirely different situation and Howard locked Varejoa arm first which makes him riding him out moot.

He rode him out with the hip and it was 50/50 on the arm. A no call, but still a foul to some degree. You just dont call it just like you dont call a block when the offensive player initiates a brush with .5 seconds left.