NBA Playoffs - Page 23

dalakhani · #**441** 05-24-2009, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse

West is better. But Ariza is simply playing better offense THIS series, mainly I think because Denver is not a good defensive team...Orlando is. I mean you can bend stats any way you want them. Wallace and Varejao shot 75 percent combined tonight. That doesn't mean they are good shooters as all 3 shots they made were layups. And you don't want them taking 25 shots combined a game. You still want all your shots coming from James, WEst, Williams, Ilgauskas regardless of whether they are making them or missing them.

but to take this one series and state flat out Ariza is better is ridiculous.

I didnt say he was better. I said they were about the same player.

horseofcourse · #**442** 05-24-2009, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

I didnt say he was better. I said they were about the same player.

Ariza is a 6'8" forward, West is a 6'3" guard. What are you talking about they are the same player??

dalakhani · #**443** 05-24-2009, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Ariza is a 6'8" forward, West is a 6'3" guard. What are you talking about they are the same player??

Meaning they are both going to give about the same contribution overall if in different ways. Both are good defenders. Both are relied upon in their respective offenses as spot up shooters. Both will give you around 10 points per game. Delonte is better off the dribble and in the half court, Ariza fills the lane on the break much better.

Look at stats for the entire playoffs. Virtually the same and i think houston and utah play better defense than detroit and atlanta at this point.

horseofcourse · #**444** 05-24-2009, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Meaning they are both going to give about the same contribution overall if in different ways. Both are good defenders. Both are relied upon in their respective offenses as spot up shooters. Both will give you around 10 points per game. Delonte is better off the dribble and in the half court, Ariza fills the lane on the break much better.

Look at stats for the entire playoffs. Virtually the same and i think houston and utah play better defense than detroit and atlanta at this point.

Utah plays zero defense. I would not contend they play better defense than Atlanta. That is just silly claiming Utah plays better defense than Atlanta.

dalakhani · #**445** 05-24-2009, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Utah plays zero defense. I would not contend they play better defense than Atlanta.

detroit and atlanta are 11th and 12th in defensive efficiency respectively. Utah was 14th...houston was 7th.

edit* remember also that Utah's best interior defender was out for a good part of the year. At wing, brewer and kirilenko would be the matchup and both are good defenders.

horseofcourse · #**446** 05-24-2009, 11:42 PM

Don't forget also...West broke his wrist and his offensive stats went down steadily upon his return working back into the rotation and offensive flow. This did happen.

horseofcourse · #**447** 05-24-2009, 11:44 PM

It's pretty much arguing about nothing. I don't really care. It's depressing enough regardless of whom is better between Ariza and West. I honestly don't give a rat's ass who is better. The Cavs are in massive trouble. They got the poor shooting effort from the Magic I felt they needed to steal one in Orlando...they didn't take advantage. It's depressing. This side argument is meaningless.

dalakhani · #**448** 05-24-2009, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Don't forget also...West broke his wrist and his offensive stats went down steadily upon his return working back into the rotation and offensive flow. This did happen.

Okay, and Phil Jackson experimented with a million different rotations to begin the season and Ariza's role wasnt defined until the second half of the year.

Im not talking about all of that though. I am talking about what they are...now...in these playoffs.

West has been a decent offensive role player that has played good defense. Ariza has done basically the same thing.

How is this debatable? Im not saying Ariza is better. Im just saying in terms of "value" they are about the same player.

King Glorious · #**449** 05-24-2009, 11:47 PM

This thread has taken a bad turn. Really, a Delonte West vs. Trevor Ariza debate? Really?

dalakhani · #**450** 05-24-2009, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

This thread has taken a bad turn. Really, a Delonte West vs. Trevor Ariza debate? Really?

exactly. thats what i said a while ago. they are about the same player. no?

King Glorious · #**451** 05-24-2009, 11:50 PM

Very much so. Just like about 100 other guys.

dalakhani · #**452** 05-24-2009, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Very much so. Just like about 100 other guys.

exactly.

Okay. better subject.

The cavs don't have a single player that can score in the post. I dont remember a team that would be considered a viable contender lacking such a traditionally important component to an offense.

SCUDSBROTHER · #**453** 05-25-2009, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Ariza isnt a part of LA's offense and he is a marginally effective defensive player. He is athletic, doesnt need to shoot and signed to a cheap contract. West is a combo guard who runs Clevelands offense when Williams isnt on the court, can create his own shot off the dribble, is a good spot up shooter, guards the opposing teams best scorer and plays virtually the entire game. He wouldnt win many spelling Bees but he is a better player than Ariza.

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Cajungator26 · #**454** 05-25-2009, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Let's investigate the stench more closely...Cleveland style. Had 5 more personal fouls than field goals. Shot 37 percent....19 percent from 3 point...5 for 26. It really is amazing that people were giving Orlando no shot this series. Orlando played poorly tonight and Cleveland never threatened them in the 2nd half. OH well, the INdians are only 9 games back on Memorial Day. We turn our losing eyes to them now.

Speak for yourself.

docicu3 · #**455** 05-25-2009, 10:10 PM

This Andersen kid is really something. The recovery stuff is heart warming but this mother is a bad ass on the boards. Denver has some real characters on this team....

Cannon Shell · #**456** 05-26-2009, 07:13 AM

Trevor Ariza
3 points
1 rebound
1 assist
26 minutes

geeker2 · #**457** 05-26-2009, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Trevor Ariza
3 points
1 rebound
1 assist
26 minutes

hell Radmanovic could have done that!

dalakhani · #**458** 05-26-2009, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Trevor Ariza
3 points
1 rebound
1 assist
26 minutes

Trevor Ariza game 1

20 points
3 rebounds
4 steals
2 assists
6-7 from the field.

One game.

Cannon Shell · #**459** 05-26-2009, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Trevor Ariza game 1

20 points
3 rebounds
4 steals
2 assists
6-7 from the field.

One game.

See other thread

SCUDSBROTHER · #**460** 05-26-2009, 01:48 PM

"Ariza" seems so much like a brand name for a food product(artificial sweetener,cooking oil etc.,) or a chain of weight-loss centers. In other words, it sounds made up.