Bama's offer to Saban

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Mal Moore and Paul Bryant Jr. have to go.

get ozzie on the phone, Momma needs him NOW !

I don't mean to offend Bama fans, but they are delusional if they think this is a plum job that everyone wants. Its quite simply not.
Tradition doesn't matter much in this day and age, and Bama is almost 15 years removed from a championship. The alumni and fans have very high and unrealistic expectations that any Coach is gonna be hard pressed to meet. The Sec is so very competitive and Bama has slipped behind LSU, Florida, Tennesee and Auburn in terms of where the program stands in the big picture of strength over the last decade.
Top college coaches used to shuffle around from job to job looking for pay raises. No, they just give you a raise at the school you coach at and keep you.
Rodriguez has life made where he is. He coaches the power team in the Big East, he has total fan and media support, and he can sit and wait for a plum job opportunity to come along.
I'm old enough to remember when people said Alabama, you thought immediately of powerhouse football team. Over the last few years all I think of when I hear Alabama is a team with no offense who goes nowhere.
I don't the Bama faithful and alumni realize this yet. They are mistaken if they think they are going to snap their fingers and get an established star coach there. Perhaps they could lure a has been star coach, or someone looking for a job who used to be a star, but its not gonna be easy to lure anyone there who is already a star. When you get a shot to move up from a good gig, you wanna make sure that move is to a GREAT job, and I don't think Rodriguez or anyone else is gonna consider Bama a great job.
They need to swallow their pride and look for a young guy on the way up! A guy who has star potential who can be hired. It would also help them to start fresh with a new first time coach who could build a new image there.
Maybe a guy who will try and actually throw the ball.
I'd start looking at NFL assistant coaches.

Originally Posted by oracle80

I don't mean to offend Bama fans, but they are delusional if they think this is a plum job that everyone wants. Its quite simply not.
Tradition doesn't matter much in this day and age, and Bama is almost 15 years removed from a championship. The alumni and fans have very high and unrealistic expectations that any Coach is gonna be hard pressed to meet. The Sec is so very competitive and Bama has slipped behind LSU, Florida, Tennesee and Auburn in terms of where the program stands in the big picture of strength over the last decade.
Top college coaches used to shuffle around from job to job looking for pay raises. No, they just give you a raise at the school you coach at and keep you.
Rodriguez has life made where he is. He coaches the power team in the Big East, he has total fan and media support, and he can sit and wait for a plum job opportunity to come along.
I'm old enough to remember when people said Alabama, you thought immediately of powerhouse football team. Over the last few years all I think of when I hear Alabama is a team with no offense who goes nowhere.
I don't the Bama faithful and alumni realize this yet. They are mistaken if they think they are going to snap their fingers and get an established star coach there. Perhaps they could lure a has been star coach, or someone looking for a job who used to be a star, but its not gonna be easy to lure anyone there who is already a star. When you get a shot to move up from a good gig, you wanna make sure that move is to a GREAT job, and I don't think Rodriguez or anyone else is gonna consider Bama a great job.
They need to swallow their pride and look for a young guy on the way up! A guy who has star potential who can be hired. It would also help them to start fresh with a new first time coach who could build a new image there.
Maybe a guy who will try and actually throw the ball.
I'd start looking at NFL assistant coaches.

let's toss out a few words here: Gerry Faust, Bob Davie, Ty Willingham

last NC at Notre Dumb: 1988

Bama's last 1992

get you're facts straight

Texas, Oklahoma, ND, etc. all went through this until they got the right coach in place!

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

let's toss out a few words here: Gerry Faust, Bob Davie, Ty Willingham

last NC at Notre Dumb: 1988

Bama's last 1992

get you're facts straight

Texas, Oklahoma, ND, etc. all went through this until they got the right coach in place!

I don't know what ND's old coaches have to do with anything.
They had bad coaches after Holtz. And lo and behold they went out and got an NFL assistant, kinda like Im suggesting here.

Originally Posted by oracle80

I don't know what ND's old coaches have to do with anything.
They had bad coaches after Holtz. And lo and behold they went out and got an NFL assistant, kinda like Im suggesting here.

And texas and oklahoma werent down long, and played in a lotta big bowl games, like ND has.
Whens the last time Bama had a good team?
They are in the petrosun independence bowl this year.
Where did they play last year?
year before?
I honestly dont know the answers, tell me the last time they had a good year and played in a major bowl.

Originally Posted by oracle80

I don't know what ND's old coaches have to do with anything.
They had bad coaches after Holtz. And lo and behold they went out and got an NFL assistant, kinda like Im suggesting here.

the Big East is bush league
Bama IS a plum job
they were ready to make RR one of the highest paid coaches in college football~can other programs put a coach in the top 5 paid w/o having
coached a game there? few
plus the have better facilities than most NFL teams
and a 92,000 seat stadium
with the right coach, we'd have recriuts lining up at the door
and all the SEC teams you mentioned only passed us up
when the NCAA handed us the stiffest probabtion ever aside from
the death penalty, and we STILL remained competitive with all those teams
the bottom line is you get comfortable where you are
and Rita, the wife, didn't want to move from the hills

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

the Big East is bush league
Bama IS a plum job
they were ready to make RR one of the highest paid coaches in college football~can other programs put a coach in the top 5 paid w/o having
coached a game there? few
plus the have better facilities than most NFL teams
and a 92,000 seat stadium
with the right coach, we'd have recriuts lining up at the door
and all the SEC teams you mentioned only passed us up
when the NCAA handed us the stiffest probabtion ever aside from
the death penalty, and we STILL remained competitive with all those teams
the bottom line is you get comfortable where you are
and Rita, the wife, didn't want to move from the hills

Dude, if the Big east is bush league, you are insulting your own program.
I think they felt comfy there, and if another job calls in the east, he will take it someday.
Just like the Rutgers coach. hes got it made now, he told Miami not interested.
Quite frankly I think they both want the Penn St job as Joe Pa nears retiremnet. And Florida St will be open soon enough as well.
I think those jobs are more appealing and you can put me down hard for a big bet on a RR/Schiano exacta box on the Florida St Penn St jobs when they open up.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Dude, if the Big east is bush league, you are insulting your own program.
I think they felt comfy there, and if another job calls in the east, he will take it someday.
Just like the Rutgers coach. hes got it made now, he told Miami not interested.
Quite frankly I think they both want the Penn St job as Joe Pa nears retiremnet. And Florida St will be open soon enough as well.
I think those jobs are more appealing and you can put me down hard for a big bet on a RR/Schiano exacta box on the Florida St Penn St jobs when they open up.

the Big East is Bush league, as far as facilities
now RR has convinced the AD to upgrade those
if he stayed, so he agreed
now when he does leave WV he'll look like a champ
instead of a villian
he was booed at the WV basketball game last night
and that's his alma mater, and home state for both he and his wife
I see this more of a reflection on RR and his agenda
than anything negative about the Bama job itself

Originally Posted by oracle80

And texas and oklahoma werent down long, and played in a lotta big bowl games, like ND has.
Whens the last time Bama had a good team?
They are in the petrosun independence bowl this year.
Where did they play last year?
year before?
I honestly dont know the answers, tell me the last time they had a good year and played in a major bowl.

Bama won the Cotton Bowl last year and went 10-2. When's the last time Notre Dame won a bowl game?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

the Big East is Bush league, as far as facilities
now RR has convinced the AD to upgrade those
if he stayed, so he agreed
now when he does leave WV he'll look like a champ
instead of a villian
he was booed at the WV basketball game last night
and that's his alma mater, and home state for both he and his wife
I see this more of a reflection on RR and his agenda
than anything negative about the Bama job itself

RR convinced the AD to upgrade HIS facilities!
It's called leverage and he used it well.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

RR convinced the AD to upgrade HIS facilities!
It's called leverage and he used it well.

he did, but in the process broke a "gentleman's agreement" (aka his word)
I'm not that upset really, but the people they've been after
Spurrier, Saben, Rodriguez are all about themselves
you start to lay down with dogs, expect to get fleas

Originally Posted by oracle80

And texas and oklahoma werent down long, and played in a lotta big bowl games, like ND has.
Whens the last time Bama had a good team?
They are in the petrosun independence bowl this year.
Where did they play last year?
year before?
I honestly dont know the answers, tell me the last time they had a good year and played in a major bowl.

Texas & Oklahoma had huge gaps between national titles, especially Texas
ND refuses to join a conference, plays all the service academies
and then gets annually violated in a "big" bowl game
we lost to a tough LSU team by 14 in Baton Rouge
let's see how the great Irish fair in Nawlins

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

Texas & Oklahoma had huge gaps between national titles, especially Texas
ND refuses to join a conference, plays all the service academies
and then gets annually violated in a "big" bowl game
we lost to a tough LSU team by 14 in Baton Rouge
let's see how the great Irish fair in Nawlins

The great Irish have an exclusive TV deal they would have to forgeo if they joined a conference. I think they like the cash, its called smart business.
They have the guy with the hardware onhis fingers now, and the best Qb in the high school nation coming in, as well as 11 already signed top 100 guys!!! Number one recruiting class according to ESPN as well.
I think they have things in order.
Bama should look at pro coaches in trouble, and asst pro coaches. Maybe Romeo will free up, I doubt he likes Cleveland much these days.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Maybe Romeo will free up, I doubt he likes Cleveland much these days.

Romeo isn't eligible to coach at Alabama.

Originally Posted by oracle80

The great Irish have an exclusive TV deal they would have to forgeo if they joined a conference. I think they like the cash, its called smart business.
They have the guy with the hardware onhis fingers now, and the best Qb in the high school nation coming in, as well as 11 already signed top 100 guys!!! Number one recruiting class according to ESPN as well.
I think they have things in order.
Bama should look at pro coaches in trouble, and asst pro coaches. Maybe Romeo will free up, I doubt he likes Cleveland much these days.

wasn't Ron Paulus the #1 QB in the nation coming out of HS?
how many Heismans did Beano Cook say he'd win at ND?
just unsubstantiated hype

let me just ask you this, if UA were not a great job then why are we getting all of these coaches raises & renovations? If a lesser program came calling a prudent AD would not have budged an inch!

[Danzig]

'bama was absent from post season for several years due to ncaa violations. they were ineligible for post season, and weren't allowed to be in the rankings from what i remember. that's quite a blow on recruitment efforts.

i think they pulled the trigger too quickly on shula. i think he did pretty well with the program considering the uphill battle he had to fight. now they have a program that hasn't done well, since it shot itself in the foot....and they have to try to convince a coach to take a shot. hell, if miami is having trouble finding someone willing to take a chance, just imagine trying to sell alabama. both schools want results, YESTERDAY. a lot of alums to try to keep happy, and keep their money.

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

let me just ask you this, if UA were not a great job then why are we getting all of these coaches raises & renovations? If a lesser program came calling a prudent AD would not have budged an inch!

Wouldn't a better question be why noone wants the damn job?

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Romeo isn't eligible to coach at Alabama.

I know, but I like to stir up trouble, why do you think I picked him?
Maybe Dennis Green? hes not doing so hot out in Zona.

well, I guess I didn't realize there were so many experts
on Alabama Football here besides myself and DD
Alabama has done nothing wrong
They simply are after the best coach they can find
as would all the top programs be in a head coaching search
we went after guy who is highly regarded in the coaching community
and he kind of left us at the altar and changed his mind
but how does that give the media & fans of other programs
the right to rip our program for trying to make a good hire?
we gave the guy an excellent opportunity~
more than doubling his current salary, top-notch facilities,
and a chance to compete at college football's highest level
how are we wrong in doing this? because he said no?
I say we keep aiming high, if not higher
or at least higher in the quality of the individual