4/2: Gulfstream (6th-14th); Oaklawn (5th-13th; X-C P5)

[Dahoss]

Also, what dark corner of the web can I find your podcast? Maybe a link to it?

I'd like to soak in all this brilliance further.

Thanks in advance.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by UncleBenelli

Appreciate you always Steve!

May I suggest a Cuban Trifecta method on proposed longshots.

2/3/all boxed.

so, 3,6/5,9,11/ALL box

I utilize for larger fields on big handle days, not sure this race has the depth of long shots to apply this method, but when correct on ticket structure,
A Cuban Trifecta Ticket Pays twice!!

I have successfully hit the last 7 Kentucky Derby Trifectas with this method and 18 of the last 25 triple crown races. I owe the Ticket structure formula lesson to a great capper, like yourself, Mr. Manuel. Often times I have ticket takers tell me you cant bet that. And in some states , you must call out each ticket, as they dont have a box button,..

Good Luck to all , this is such a great time of year.!!

I read this many times and still have no idea how this pays twice as a horse can only finish in 1 position. Im not a big triple player but do play it on derby day.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

I read this many times and still have no idea how this pays twice as a horse can only finish in 1 position. Im not a big triple player but do play it on derby day.

Nobody actually plays like that ( someone may have tried but he went broke a long time ago ). He would have it twice if two of the horses in the first two slots hit the board ( this does NOT have to happen ). If someone did it in a 20 horse Derby field, as he suggested, it would be 144 Box combinations, or 864 combinations ( assuming you want to possibly have it twice ). It's boxing 2x4x18 the way he laid it out ( with neither of the first two horses in the second slot ).

I must be very bored ( and at least a little pathetic ) to have thought this lunacy through. It's a moronic play, especially at a 25% takeout.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Nobody actually plays like that ( someone may have tried but he went broke a long time ago ). He would have it twice if two of the horses in the first two slots hit the board ( this does NOT have to happen ). If someone did it in a 20 horse Derby field, as he suggested, it would be 144 Box combinations, or 864 combinations ( assuming you want to possibly have it twice ). It's boxing 2x4x18 the way he laid it out ( with neither of the first two horses in the second slot ).

I must be very bored ( and at least a little pathetic ) to have thought this lunacy through. It's a moronic play, especially at a 25% takeout.

His example is wrong. In order to hit twice don't you need to include his first place picks in slot 2?

Sh*t if I was as dialed in as he to hit 7 Derby Trifecta's in a row. Given his example,I'd take that $864 and play a $144 Exacta 2x3

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by jms62

His example is wrong. In order to hit twice don't you need to include his first place picks in slot 2?

Sh*t if I was as dialed in as he to hit 7 Derby Trifecta's in a row. Given his example,I'd take that $864 and play a $144 Exacta 2x3

No, they could be in the third slot, and since it's a box it doesn't matter the slot. In his example you would have a 3/5/6 box....and a 6/5/3 box.

This while thing makes my brain hurt.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

No, they could be in the third slot, and since it's a box it doesn't matter the slot. In his example you would have a 3/5/6 box....and a 6/5/3 box.

This while thing makes my brain hurt.

Imagine how Uncle Benelli's brain feels

[Dahoss]

I still want to know how I can listen to this podcast.

If it's anything like this thread the entertainment factor alone would make it worth it.

[blackthroatedwind]

I can't find anything relevant googling Jeffery Kaymans

[knickslions2]

I thought I was an educated man but my head is spinning and I havent been drinking. Maybe thats the problem.


The original post said

2/3/all boxed.

so, 3,6/5,9,11/ALL box

So playing for a $1 (11 horse field)

3,6/5,9,11/all - $66
3,6/all/5,9,11 - $66
5,9,11/3,6/all - $66
5,9,11/all/3,6 - $66
all/3,6/5,9,11 - $66
all/5,9,11/3,6 - $66

$396 total

So this was the Florida Derby the tri paid $47.40 for $1 and it was not hit by this bet.

Looking at that I guess you can win multiple times if you get lucky but I don't see the value in this bet consistently. Again I'm not big tri player only on derby day as I feel risk reward there is worth it.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I can't find anything relevant googling Jeffery Kaymans

It must be Jeffrey Kamys. You'd think he'd actually know the guys name

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by UncleBenelli

You really need to stop assuming so many things, that is the closed mindset again and again. Just sillyness, like you are trying so hard to discredit,.. lol so funny, I never tell a lie sir so, I never have to worry about squadush

Comon man-

You had the guys name wrong, not me.

I get it though. This was all an infomercial for your podcast. You got us.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by UncleBenelli

Excellent Knicks yes correct, but it is not a consistent bet!!! No no no, it is a spot bet. One, probability of long shots handicapped, probability of short priced horses being out of money, and some luck. Absolutely. As Mentioned, Manuel is a big key for me in hitting these tris on big days. He is a horse guy, and very good. I could not have hit any of those large Tri tickets without his handicapping of the horses.
In my original post, I said I have hit the trifecta, not picked the trifecta.

Since you have 7 years of hitting documented, could you prove you hit last years Derby trifecta.

Should be pretty easy, no?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

No, they could be in the third slot, and since it's a box it doesn't matter the slot. In his example you would have a 3/5/6 box....and a 6/5/3 box.

This while thing makes my brain hurt.

LOL. I looked at this for 20 minutes and could't make it work but it is so obvious now after your post.

3-5-9 Result hits twice here. Crazy I couldn't figure that out

3,6/5,9,11/ALL box
3,6/All Box/5,9,11

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by jms62

LOL. I looked at this for 20 minutes and could't make it work but it is so obvious now after your post.

3-5-9 Result hits twice here. Crazy I couldn't figure that out

3,6/5,9,11/ALL box
3,6/All Box/5,9,11

Believe me, I kept looking far longer than I should have. I should actually thank this Charlatan for making me exercise my brain a little bit.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by UncleBenelli

You really need to stop assuming so many things, that is the closed mindset again and again. Just sillyness, like you are trying so hard to discredit,.. lol so funny, I never tell a lie sir so, I never have to worry about squadush

Comon man-

You sound like a used car salesman...."trust me." People who say I "never tell a lie" are already lying.

You couldn't even spell the guy's name right. The people going back and forth here have a lot of racetrack experience. We all know a grifter when we see one.

[Dahoss]

If you had pull the victim card go to the window and cash your bet.

[Dahoss]

Imagine the chutzpah thinking being as vague as possible would lessen your “profits.”

You still have to pick the right horses.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Imagine the chutzpah thinking being as vague as possible would lessen your “profits.”

You still have to pick the right horses.

Charlatans always have chutzpah.

[moses]

Steve, if you are having open auditions to be a guest on the show, I’d like to throw my hat in the ring. I can come on and give everyone advice on winning methods and principles that simply never lose, including:

• Buying low and selling high
• Picking the fastest horse
• Betting against favorites that lose
• Maximizing winnings, minimizing losses
• Knowing when to walk away
• And much MUCH more

I assume there is an appearance fee you’re willing to pay to have me on. I’ll waive it if my wagering methods and personal picks don’t result in a cashed ticket that same day.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

[moses]

Originally Posted by UncleBenelli

Just simply not true at all. I have been on this forum for a long time. I credit Steve Publicly any chance I get. I only posted on Steve's post because he stated he was looking to catch a price.

That tells me, coming from a pro capper, he feels pretty damn good he is going to catch a price!!!
So I posted, have you considered this. Because I like Steve, and Love his capping it has helped me tremendously!!

I even layed it out, Sorry if I dont write as well as most. I cheated through school by throwing a tight slider. Haunts me today.
It was you, that went nuts trying to discredit everything and everyone. Throw rocks at someone and their bet.
Fraud, full of ****, and many other accusations you have thrown my way, because I typed something to Steve, Not You. You have challenged my Integrity and now my Character. You Sir are an *******. Plain and simple.

Thought it was a horse racing forum, where people gather to chat and learn from one another. Even to the extent of. no way to win, blah blah, stupid, doesnt pay you lie full of ****.

Yea, sure. Why not add up just a few of the Trifecta Tickets paid oh since when ever. Manuel calls it the Giacamo button, I call it the Mind that bird button, most recent, country house button.

Why not do a little math, Cost of ticket vs payout kentucky derby only,
= what net profit?
Last 3 years =?
Last 5 years =?
Last 10 years =?
last 20 years =?

You might all be a bit surprised at what math can tell you.

At this point extremly sorry and dissapointed I even posted to Steve. Trying to be friendly and then all this. Yea I am certainly full of ****, a fraud and what else was it DaHoss????

My Mistake and apologies to the community, my bad I suppose.

Chow

I don’t disagree with taking a shot on a big trifecta in certain instances. Using “ALL” to me seems lazy as there are generally a handful of horses I feel confident about tossing on the Derby. I’ve got a relative who does this with superfectas and he will hit a big one every now and then but he loses his ass most other times.

As far as Mine That Bird, Giacomo, Country House. In order for this to work, you’d still need Musket Man combo’d with MTB. Musket Man was the 9th choice that day so you’d have to have him in that 2/3 slot. Not easy. When Giacomo won, Closing Argument was 2nd at 70/1. So you’d have to have either of those in the 2/3 slot. Seems unlikely. When Country House won, Code of Honor was the 6th choice and Tacitus was the third so that was doable. I almost had that trifecta with my relatives as we are going to keybox Tacitus with a bunch of horses but we ended up going another route.

Long story short, this seems like a quick way to lose a lot of money.