Censorship on Bloodhorse - Page 2

#21 11-09-2006, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I wouldn't say the reprinting of Empire's press releases has been hard hitting journalism in the case of NYRA.

Jesus you're tough. OK, so maybe the NYRA thing wasn't up to your snuff (and I don't know because, well, it's allgreektome) but you simply cannot fault the rest of the things I listed. And, of course, there's more. But I think I made my point.

Honu · #22 11-09-2006, 01:27 PM

With all the stuff that is being written about the Sheiks and their "buying up the game" and retiring horses along with a numbers guy basically bashing them and their operation , I think it would totally be funny if they just took their ball and went home.
Pull all their stock and take them to Europe , South America and everywhere else and with that take all their money that they pump into this sport in the USA , dont invite any Americans to come and compete in Dubai ( they are most likely tired of us taking their money anyway) just forget they ever heard of horse racing in the USA.

SniperSB23 · #23 11-09-2006, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu

With all the stuff that is being written about the Sheiks and their "buying up the game" and retiring horses along with a numbers guy basically bashing them and their operation , I think it would totally be funny if they just took their ball and went home.
Pull all their stock and take them to Europe , South America and everywhere else and with that take all their money that they pump into this sport in the USA , dont invite any Americans to come and compete in Dubai ( they are most likely tired of us taking their money anyway) just forget they ever heard of horse racing in the USA.

It would suck if they did that and people continued to sell our top horses to them knowing they would take them off to other countries to race. Otherwise I don't think it will be a huge deal to the sport of racing. The breeding bubble would burst which would actually increase the number of top horses on the track. I don't know of anyone that would stop gambling on the races beause there are no longer any Sheikh horses racing. As a fan of the game and not someone financially invested in it I don't fear the Sheikhs taking their ball and going home at all. I'd welcome it.

Cannon Shell · #24 11-09-2006, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188

i know back when the jocks were negotiating with manley bloodhorse had no problem in questioning his credentials, and suggesting he was a bad choice and that the guild could do better...matter of fact, i was kind of surprised that they went as far as they did.

Jockeys dont advertise with the Bloodhorse. Perhaps they were a little skittish following the reports that the Arabs stud farms pulled all their ad's from the DRF after Beyers unflattering piece on the arabs.

#25 11-09-2006, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Jockeys dont advertise with the Bloodhorse. Perhaps they were a little skittish following the reports that the Arabs stud farms pulled all their ad's from the DRF after Beyers unflattering piece on the arabs.

They did? Wow...

Jockeys may not buy advertisements, but consignors do.

And, truthfully, I sincerely believe if anyone over at the BH thought that the Sheikhs spending billions was bad for business, they'd comment. But I don't think anyone does. I mean, I won't speak for them, but the economic impact of selling those horses trickles down all over the Bluegrass. How can that be bad?

Honu · #26 11-09-2006, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

It would suck if they did that and people continued to sell our top horses to them knowing they would take them off to other countries to race. Otherwise I don't think it will be a huge deal to the sport of racing. The breeding bubble would burst which would actually increase the number of top horses on the track. I don't know of anyone that would stop gambling on the races beause there are no longer any Sheikh horses racing. As a fan of the game and not someone financially invested in it I don't fear the Sheikhs taking their ball and going home at all. I'd welcome it.

Well that is your opinon, I would just say this, that their money would be a big loss to the sport in the USA , they pump alot of money into this "dying industry" as some would say. They buy farms and horses , millions of dollars worth a year, ask any person in the breeding industry and they will tell you that the Sheiks contribute alot of money .
They sponser races that have HUGE purses throughout the world and here in the USA , they give jobs to alot of people here in the USA by having American trainers and farms. Believe me this industry would sorely miss their particpation in American racing.

blackthroatedwind · #27 11-09-2006, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by redransom

Jesus you're tough. OK, so maybe the NYRA thing wasn't up to your snuff (and I don't know because, well, it's allgreektome) but you simply cannot fault the rest of the things I listed. And, of course, there's more. But I think I made my point.

You made your point....and I don't agree with it.

blackthroatedwind · #28 11-09-2006, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu

With all the stuff that is being written about the Sheiks and their "buying up the game" and retiring horses along with a numbers guy basically bashing them and their operation , I think it would totally be funny if they just took their ball and went home.
Pull all their stock and take them to Europe , South America and everywhere else and with that take all their money that they pump into this sport in the USA , dont invite any Americans to come and compete in Dubai ( they are most likely tired of us taking their money anyway) just forget they ever heard of horse racing in the USA.

Maybe they can make up some fake races over in Dubai and award their own purse money to themselves. Oops...they are already doing that.

We have what they want...horseflesh and prestige. The breeders may need them, but they need us, and they give nothing to the American racing fan. NOTHING. They only subtract.

They should definitely go to South America. I bet their big races would be easier to win. Then again, if they can't, they can always buy their best horses. Oops again....they already did that.

blackthroatedwind · #29 11-09-2006, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by redransom

They did? Wow...

Jockeys may not buy advertisements, but consignors do.

And, truthfully, I sincerely believe if anyone over at the BH thought that the Sheikhs spending billions was bad for business, they'd comment. But I don't think anyone does. I mean, I won't speak for them, but the economic impact of selling those horses trickles down all over the Bluegrass. How can that be bad?

But you do seem to be speaking for them.

Suprised you didn't hear about the pulled advertising....just about everyone has heard that story.

SniperSB23 · #30 11-09-2006, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu

Well that is your opinon, I would just say this, that their money would be a big loss to the sport in the USA , they pump alot of money into this "dying industry" as some would say. They buy farms and horses , millions of dollars worth a year, ask any person in the breeding industry and they will tell you that the Sheiks contribute alot of money .
They sponser races that have HUGE purses throughout the world and here in the USA , they give jobs to alot of people here in the USA by having American trainers and farms. Believe me this industry would sorely miss their particpation in American racing.

No doubt there would be tons in the industry impacted although almost entirely on the breeding side. I think the main impact on racing, which is what I am a fan of, would actually be to keep better horses on the track longer which would be a positive for racing. The entire market in the horse breeding industry is a bubble. If people in the industry aren't prepared for that bubble to pop then they are being foolish. They should be profiting all they can now but better have backup plans if it does pop. I'm sure there are some that are aware of it and others completely oblivious to it.

Honu · #31 11-09-2006, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Maybe they can make up some fake races over in Dubai and award their own purse money to themselves. Oops...they are already doing that.

We have what they want...horseflesh and prestige. The breeders may need them, but they need us, and they give nothing to the American racing fan. NOTHING. They only subtract.

They should definitely go to South America. I bet their big races would be easier to win. Then again, if they can't, they can always buy their best horses. Oops again....they already did that.

Be carefull what you wish for......

blackthroatedwind · #32 11-09-2006, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu

Be carefull what you wish for......

You must be joking. It would be my dream for them to go away completely.

Sorry, I haven't noticed all their entrants in February at Aqueduct. They are a drain on the industry at the high end. I would love it if they announced tomorrow they were done with racing. Maybe racing would take over instead of breeding.

Honu · #33 11-09-2006, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

No doubt there would be tons in the industry impacted although almost entirely on the breeding side. I think the main impact on racing, which is what I am a fan of, would actually be to keep better horses on the track longer which would be a positive for racing. The entire market in the horse breeding industry is a bubble. If people in the industry aren't prepared for that bubble to pop then they are being foolish. They should be profiting all they can now but better have backup plans if it does pop. I'm sure there are some that are aware of it and others completely oblivious to it.

People are chastising them for what we American breeders and owners do here right now.

#34 11-09-2006, 02:56 PM

Godolphin is kicking American racing fans like me in the stomach.

randallscott35 · #35 11-09-2006, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You must be joking. It would be my dream for them to go away completely.

Sorry, I haven't noticed all their entrants in February at Aqueduct. They are a drain on the industry at the high end. I would love it if they announced tomorrow they were done with racing. Maybe racing would take over instead of breeding.

LOL, yeah I am still waiting for the 25k Darley maiden claimer in late January on the AQ inner.

Japan built their whole establishment on the great Sunday Silence and it has been successful. The quality of the horses and races is right up there now....I can only assume that the Dubai gang is hoping for a similar success story. And with their resources, they will get wherever they want. Simply a matter of time.

SniperSB23 · #36 11-09-2006, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu

People are chastising them for what we American breeders and owners do here right now.

I definitely do think they get too much of the blame. I posted on another thread that I thought it was ridiculous that they are being attacked for retiring Bernardini and Henny Hughes yet somehow Coolmore retired Aussie Rules, a sound 3yo, for a $15,000 stud fee and are avoiding scrutiny. The whole breeding industry is a problem for racing but there is really no hope of it getting fixed anytime soon while people know the Shiekhs and Coolmore will vastly overpay for one of their horses.

Honu · #37 11-09-2006, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You must be joking. It would be my dream for them to go away completely.

Sorry, I haven't noticed all their entrants in February at Aqueduct. They are a drain on the industry at the high end. I would love it if they announced tomorrow they were done with racing. Maybe racing would take over instead of breeding.

Yeah right , because so many American breeders and owners have the money and desire that they do .
How many American owned horses have been retired to the shed that you would consider premature ? I think people who are directly involved in the game know what an impact the Sheiks pulling their money from this country would do.

#38 11-09-2006, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

But you do seem to be speaking for them.

Suprised you didn't hear about the pulled advertising....just about everyone has heard that story.

I'm not speaking for them whatsoever. There's a significant difference between speaking for someone and speaking based on personal experience with someone. These are my personal experiences and opinions.

And I haven't heard the story because I've been out of action for a week... stuck at home, doctor's orders.

blackthroatedwind · #39 11-09-2006, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by redransom

I'm not speaking for them whatsoever. There's a significant difference between speaking for someone and speaking based on personal experience with someone. These are my personal experiences and opinions.

And I haven't heard the story because I've been out of action for a week... stuck at home, doctor's orders.

The doctors keep me locked up as well.

blackthroatedwind · #40 11-09-2006, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I definitely do think they get too much of the blame. I posted on another thread that I thought it was ridiculous that they are being attacked for retiring Bernardini and Henny Hughes yet somehow Coolmore retired Aussie Rules, a sound 3yo, for a $15,000 stud fee and are avoiding scrutiny. The whole breeding industry is a problem for racing but there is really no hope of it getting fixed anytime soon while people know the Shiekhs and Coolmore will vastly overpay for one of their horses.

My vitriol extends to Coolmore as well. In fact, they are worse.