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Old 06-15-2017, 10:25 AM
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Why? He arguably has 3 of the top 5 handicap horses in the country.
exactly, the guy is just on another level right now.
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They seem to be treating Gunrunner like the second coming now.
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Old 06-17-2017, 12:24 PM
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They seem to be treating Gunrunner like the second coming now.
I agree, though this field is a bit trash so he does not have to run all that well to win.
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Old 06-17-2017, 08:21 PM
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And about Baff, when you get the horses he does, it's because you get the results he does.
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They seem to be treating Gunrunner like the second coming now.
Never been a huge fan, but he has progressed well and should crush these horses.
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Old 06-17-2017, 08:51 PM
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He ran well...

interesting ride on Bird Song

Guess that just shows how big the gap is with Arrogate and the rest of the dirt horses.
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Gotta respect Gun Runner. Travels all over and seems to improve every time. He cant beat Arrogate but that's OK. Lots of big races to be won.
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Gotta respect Gun Runner. Travels all over and seems to improve every time. He cant beat Arrogate but that's OK. Lots of big races to be won.
NOBODY beats Arrogate ......... yet
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NOBODY beats Arrogate ......... yet
Hard to beat a horse that never runs
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Hard to beat a horse that never runs
This is absolutely ridiculous. The BC Classic, Pegasus, Dubai World cup triple isn't enough?
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This is absolutely ridiculous. The BC Classic, Pegasus, Dubai World cup triple isn't enough?
Figured I stir you up lol
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Here's a question for you.Do you guys like the way Arrogate was developed, meaning as Baffert did without rushing him into graded stakes within 30 seconds of a maiden win, versus running them in Gr stakes by their second breath, which seems to have become the norm now in New York based trainers?
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Gotta respect Gun Runner. Travels all over and seems to improve every time. He cant beat Arrogate but that's OK. Lots of big races to be won.
Tough year to be Gun Runner. He has thrown out 4 straight 110 BSFs now if you include the DWC. He'd be a clear cut favorite for the BCC and HOY in a bunch of recent years.
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Here's a question for you.Do you guys like the way Arrogate was developed, meaning as Baffert did without rushing him into graded stakes within 30 seconds of a maiden win, versus running them in Gr stakes by their second breath, which seems to have become the norm now in New York based trainers?
Going from a conditioned allowance race to the classic 10f Travers is a patient progression?

Make no mistake, if Arrogate didn't have physical issues as a 2yo he would have likely been another TC burnout.

By the way, who are all these NY-based rush jobs? A comparable horse to Arrogate last year was Connect, who actually got in a minor stakes start prior to the Travers.
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Old 06-19-2017, 03:23 PM
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Going from a conditioned allowance race to the classic 10f Travers is a patient progression?

Make no mistake, if Arrogate didn't have physical issues as a 2yo he would have likely been another TC burnout.

By the way, who are all these NY-based rush jobs? A comparable horse to Arrogate last year was Connect, who actually got in a minor stakes start prior to the Travers.
Maybe Pletcher?

Though I hardly see how young horses are handled differently based on geographical location.
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Maybe Pletcher?
Restricting ourselves to 3yo that missed the Triple Crown, Pletcher certainly gave Strong Hope, Left Bank, and Speightstown plenty of time to develop.

If anything, its easier to develop a late bloomer in NY, because they actually can still fill allowance races restricted to 3yos there.
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