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Old 10-24-2006, 05:06 PM
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Major will probably be retired before hitting the claiming ranks and probably to Beam's farm in Oklahoma but I believe you casting judgment on what CB did with MG is out of line. He has never run an unfit horse, unlike a lot in Chi., and MG was coming off an injury after an extended period of recooperation. And who paid for all those vet bills and took the time to get him ready?
I know of only one farm the Blocks own so where are all the rest, "all over the place"?
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Old 10-24-2006, 05:08 PM
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Major will probably be retired before hitting the claiming ranks and probably to Beam's farm in Oklahoma but I believe you casting judgment on what CB did with MG is out of line. He has never run an unfit horse, unlike a lot in Chi., and MG was coming off an injury after an extended period of recooperation. And who paid for all those vet bills and took the time to get him ready?
I know of only one farm the Blocks own so where are all the rest, "all over the place"?
Dude, Scav, if you feel that strongly about it then why didn't you claim him or buy him for 40 when you had the chance to give him the life he deserves?
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Old 10-24-2006, 05:46 PM
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She deceptively well-bred. She hails from the really active Imagining family... that of Serena's Song and Wander Mom.
i can't see it...her bottom line is obscure...i don't see her as a great breeding propect...
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Old 10-24-2006, 05:58 PM
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i can't see it...her bottom line is obscure...i don't see her as a great breeding propect...
I did use "deceptively well-bred" because her first two dams arent all that exciting, but this is a family that has been becoming more and more active.

Under the 3rd dam you have Serena's Song and all her top class offspring. But you also have more mares producing blacktype runners on a very frequent basis. One or two a year become stakes winners with a few more getting blacktype... its a family I follow closely.

The family is also being bred up for the first time in a while.

She's by Lear Fan who's a very underrated broodmare sire out of a young Valid Appeal mare... no secret he's a top broodmare sire. Second dam is by Storm Bird and her daughters are really starting to produce.

We usually agree on pedigrees, but not this time. No matter how you cut it, far from "obscure".
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Old 10-24-2006, 06:02 PM
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I did use "deceptively well-bred" because her first two dams arent all that exciting, but this is a family that has been becoming more and more active.

Under the 3rd dam you have Serena's Song and all her top class offspring. But you also have more mares producing blacktype runners on a very frequent basis. One or two a year become stakes winners with a few more getting blacktype... its a family I follow closely.

The family is also being bred up for the first time in a while.

She's by Lear Fan who's a very underrated broodmare sire out of a young Valid Appeal mare... no secret he's a top broodmare sire. Second dam is by Storm Bird and her daughters are really starting to produce.

We usually agree on pedigrees, but not this time. No matter how you cut it, far from "obscure".
The fact that she can be bred to any leading sire line is a plus as well.
When you consider the talent she showed at age three, you have to consider what she is capable of at age 4 as far as racing goes.
Shes gonna go for a nice sum.
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Old 10-24-2006, 06:02 PM
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a lot of familys have some black type. her bottom line , yes it is mundane, is far from the great families many mares are from...her family just does not compare well with many, many mares from much better families...i don't see her as a broodmare prospect...indeed i view Serenas Song as the aberration in a mediocre family...i recommend buyers pass this one...
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Old 10-24-2006, 06:06 PM
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Dude, Scav, if you feel that strongly about it then why didn't you claim him or buy him for 40 when you had the chance to give him the life he deserves?
Yeah, I barely have $400 let alont 40k comedy guy......if I ever get real rich I plan on doing that as my charity work for the year. there are many horses that don't belong on the track....
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Old 10-24-2006, 06:08 PM
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Yeah, I barely have $400 let alont 40k comedy guy......if I ever get real rich I plan on doing that as my charity work for the year. there are many horses that don't belong on the track....
I had to bust your balls a bit dude. LOL!!!
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Old 10-24-2006, 06:09 PM
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Major will probably be retired before hitting the claiming ranks and probably to Beam's farm in Oklahoma but I believe you casting judgment on what CB did with MG is out of line. He has never run an unfit horse, unlike a lot in Chi., and MG was coming off an injury after an extended period of recooperation. And who paid for all those vet bills and took the time to get him ready?
I know of only one farm the Blocks own so where are all the rest, "all over the place"?
He has one in Ocala and I think he has one near Barrington, I could be wrong about the Barrington.

I think CB is a hell of a trainer, don't get me wrong with that. I understand about vet bills but protect him and run him in one of the many optional claiming or something of that nature. Someone could have easily dropped on him on a fly and then he gets hurt again and he is first in line in DeKalb, not cool if this were to happen. He was quoted numerous times that MG would never run for a tag after the injury and he went and did it. It is disrespectful to the horse that did so much for his family IMO.
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Old 10-24-2006, 06:09 PM
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a lot of familys have some black type. her bottom line , yes it is mundane, is far from the great families many mares are from...her family just does not compare well with many, many mares from much better families...i don't see her as a broodmare prospect...indeed i view Serenas Song as the aberration in a mediocre family...i recommend buyers pass this one...
The better racemares from this family produce very solidly and she's one of the better racemares. We'll just agree to disagree... I like her... then again, you're right, its no Courtly Dee clan...
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Old 10-24-2006, 06:11 PM
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ah well, i guess we'll have to mud wrestle to decide this one
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Old 10-24-2006, 06:20 PM
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Deal... got the mud?
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Old 10-24-2006, 06:22 PM
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Courtly Dee...now THAT was a dam.

I always loved Native Courier.
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Old 10-24-2006, 06:25 PM
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Native Courier... half the reason for the great Green Desert. Courtly Dee family is my favorite in the studbook... them and the Raise the Standard clan.
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Old 10-24-2006, 06:33 PM
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He has one in Ocala and I think he has one near Barrington, I could be wrong about the Barrington.

I think CB is a hell of a trainer, don't get me wrong with that. I understand about vet bills but protect him and run him in one of the many optional claiming or something of that nature. Someone could have easily dropped on him on a fly and then he gets hurt again and he is first in line in DeKalb, not cool if this were to happen. He was quoted numerous times that MG would never run for a tag after the injury and he went and did it. It is disrespectful to the horse that did so much for his family IMO.
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The Blocks have 2 farms one in Morriston, FL and the family farm in Philo, IL (just south of Champaign).

As far as saying he would never run him for a tag (numerous times) I'd like to see it. What he did say following the injury was, Trainer Chris Block said Tuesday that Mystery Giver will undergo an ultrasound examination Friday or Saturday.

"We can't get a very good read until then," said Block, who trains Mystery Giver for Team Block, the family stable that includes himself and his parents, David and Patricia. "The horse came back with a lot of filling and swelling. I'm sure that it's very, very iffy that he'll ever get to run again."

Mystery Giver is one of the most productive Illinois-breds of all time, having accumulated $1,165,900 in career earnings from 33 starts, all but one on turf. A 6-year-old Dynaformer gelding out of Ioya, his brightest moments have come at Fair Grounds in New Orleans, where earlier this year he won the Grade 2 Mervin Muniz Handicap.

Block said Mystery Giver will be given "the proper amount of time and rest" after being evaluated.

"Because he's a gelding, we may try to bring him back to the races if I can get him back to 100 percent," Block said. "But usually with this type of injury, horses don't come back all the way. If he doesn't, obviously we won't push him, because he's been so good to us."

And that doesn't sound like a non-caring trainer or man for that matter.
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Old 10-24-2006, 09:07 PM
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Dell,

I am not going to go nuts and try and find it, although I would like to. I wouldn't be mentioning it if I didn't read it somewhere. I just don't think he is doing right by the horse. If it were me, he would be chilling with a horse alcoholic drink and enjoying the sun and sandpits......
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Old 10-25-2006, 06:50 AM
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Dell,

I am not going to go nuts and try and find it, although I would like to. I wouldn't be mentioning it if I didn't read it somewhere. I just don't think he is doing right by the horse. If it were me, he would be chilling with a horse alcoholic drink and enjoying the sun and sandpits......
OK I will put this to rest. I obviously think he's a class act and THE best Chicago has right now. Before posting what I did I tried to find his statement that the horse would NEVER run for a tag but couldn't. He also is a guy who ALWAYS stops and speaks with anyone (even when they're drunk and he's on his way for a winner's circle photo). I'll agree to disagree but still maintain this guy is all class and he is not you so I think casting judgment is wrong and out of line but it's your right. Go on the backside and compare his stalls and their cleanliness to others and you'll start to understand what I'm talking about. I'm finished now.
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Old 10-25-2006, 08:42 AM
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OK I will put this to rest. I obviously think he's a class act and THE best Chicago has right now. Before posting what I did I tried to find his statement that the horse would NEVER run for a tag but couldn't. He also is a guy who ALWAYS stops and speaks with anyone (even when they're drunk and he's on his way for a winner's circle photo). I'll agree to disagree but still maintain this guy is all class and he is not you so I think casting judgment is wrong and out of line but it's your right. Go on the backside and compare his stalls and their cleanliness to others and you'll start to understand what I'm talking about. I'm finished now.
Again, I am not debating him as a person or his horseman skills, I couldn't agree more with you regarding his niceness and that all his horses look extremely well taken care of when they step on the track. What I am debating is the management of this specific horse, and what I percieve as a lack of respect for this specific animal
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