A.P. Warrior retired; to stand at Stonewall - Page 2

Danzig · #21 10-23-2006, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Actually, I think the ONLY reason he is going to stud is because he has a percieved value due to the fact that he is an A.P. Indy out of a Quiet American mare like Bernardini is - so the marketing campaign can be tailored towards that.....

Still, he is and always will be unfulfilled talent....

Bernardini will stand anywhere from $200,000 - $250,000 IMO...he is that marketable commercially...maybe Stonewall is going to use the "Get to a graded stakes winner bred the same as Bernardini for 5% of the price" angle....

no doubt that's what they're going to do...other ads for horses in bloodhorse tout similar 'bargains'.

#22 10-23-2006, 07:49 PM

That Youtube was funking HI-larious......good shiat

Although that particular midget would be too tall to be nuts over

Danzig · #23 10-23-2006, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I think that's precisely what they're going to do, unfortunately. And I truly believe that people will send their mares to him for that very reason.

sure they will, just like they go to rock slide, and to rossini.

paisjpq · #24 10-23-2006, 07:51 PM

and this is becoming stonewall's MO...they also stand unforgettable max don't they?

Danzig · #25 10-23-2006, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq

and this is becoming stonewall's MO...they also stand unforgettable max don't they?

indeedy they do!

Cajungator26 · #26 10-23-2006, 07:55 PM

Unforgettable Max is indeed a full brother to AA, though...

A.P. Warrior is not a full to Bernie. Shiat, I can see the attraction because Bernardini is one hell of a horse, but I can almost guarantee that Bernardini has a better chance of reproducing himself than A.P. Warrior does. Personally, I'd almost rather pay the $200k stud fee.

paisjpq · #27 10-23-2006, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Unforgettable Max is indeed a full brother to AA, though...

A.P. Warrior is not a full to Bernie. Shiat, I can see the attraction because Bernardini is one hell of a horse, but I can almost guarantee that Bernardini has a better chance of reproducing himself than A.P. Warrior does. Personally, I'd almost rather pay the $200k stud fee.

full...half...3/4...same nick...same line...same family...it's all about marketing...anytime there is a big dog in the bluegrass other farms are going to try to piggy-back on, because it works.

Cajungator26 · #28 10-23-2006, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq

full...half...3/4...same nick...same line...same family...it's all about marketing...anytime there is a big dog in the bluegrass other farms are going to try to piggy-back on, because it works.

I'm not arguing... I can see the attraction and where people would fall for the marketing.

#29 10-23-2006, 08:04 PM

I actually have a free season to breed to Bernardini for all of the free publicity I have given the Sheik horses on Derbytrail.com over the past five months

Cue BTW with a smart arse comment in 5....4....3....2...

paisjpq · #30 10-23-2006, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I'm not arguing... I can see the attraction and where people would fall for the marketing.

not trying to argue...I think the whole thing is stupid., but it happens all the time successfully.

#31 10-24-2006, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Just no making fun of midgets...I have a midget girlfriend that I'm nuts over

Midget girlfriend. lol. I think we prefer "petite" now. Although, the occasional toss is still HOT.

#32 10-24-2006, 07:58 AM

Here's my take. You never know what you're going to get with this horse on the track. He was everything but consistent. Yes, there were flashes of talent and brilliance, but you were just as likely to see him finish poor. I'd imagine, they're trying to salvage what is already a somewhat poor race record number-wise, and try to capitalize on the big wins on the record and the mindset of Bernadini on the same cross.

If he were to run 2 more times and be unplaced, that will be remembered more in the spring than his big wins almost a year before that. They can probably get a full book to him at 15k, but if he ran up the track in his next two starts, they probably couldnt ask for more than 10k. I think its a smart, if not safe business move on the part of his connections.

With that said, I wouldnt breed to him even if I was as kinky as Joel.

Cajungator26 · #33 10-24-2006, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Balletto

Here's my take. You never know what you're going to get with this horse on the track. He was everything but consistent. Yes, there were flashes of talent and brilliance, but you were just as likely to see him finish poor. I'd imagine, they're trying to salvage what is already a somewhat poor race record number-wise, and try to capitalize on the big wins on the record and the mindset of Bernadini on the same cross.

If he were to run 2 more times and be unplaced, that will be remembered more in the spring than his big wins almost a year before that. They can probably get a full book to him at 15k, but if he ran up the track in his next two starts, they probably couldnt ask for more than 10k. I think its a smart, if not safe business move on the part of his connections.

With that said, I wouldnt breed to him even if I was as kinky as Joel.

It's definitely a safe business decision, but I'm not so sure about smart.

#34 10-24-2006, 09:02 AM

By connections, I meant his original owner. If he was offered a good sum, I wouldnt have held out. You never know what you were getting on any given day with this horse and thats a big gamble. Winning a few more turf stakes wasnt going to increase his value by much... and thats IF he was able to find the winners circle again in a top race. If grandma had balls she'd be grandpa... IF is a big word.