The Cops are coming after me...

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

...because that was absolutely stealing to get 5-2 on Scat Daddy. How could the public bet a maiden winner by Albert the Great to 8-5 favoritism over him? Somedays its just that easy....

Lukas' horse had no excuse after walking on an easy lead...I'm sure they'll still run him in the Breeders' Cup knowing that outfit, but he'll only set the pace to the far turn....he's a sprinter...Nobiz is nice and has a future...he just got beat by the best 2-year-old in the country yesterday...

BTW, Scat Daddy got a 93 Beyer Speed Figure for that performance, which was still not close to his best run IMO....never really laid it down in the stretch and was still showing immense greeness...I believe he'll even run better around two-turns in Louisville....

Its always easy in hindsight. The horse had a dream of a trip. He basically had the speed get out clean and kill themselves. Hardly the type of trip he had in his last. If you think thats easy money, your nuts. Too much can happen. If Lukas horse does not make that lead and push Sho biz, Scat Daddy would have been lookin at his rear.

Oh its so easy after the race is over.

Originally Posted by pgardn

Its always easy in hindsight. The horse had a dream of a trip. He basically had the speed get out clean and kill themselves. Hardly the type of trip he had in his last. If you think thats easy money, your nuts. Too much can happen. If Lukas horse does not make that lead and push Sho biz, Scat Daddy would have been lookin at his rear.

Oh its so easy after the race is over.

The price was the easy part. not the fact he won the race....

By the way, you might want to go back and watch the race....there was NO speed dual at all...you're a little confused evidentally...Lukas' horse had an easy lead through a crawling opening quarter in 24 and change and Nobiz was actually towarsd the rear early with Scat Daddy....Scat Daddy didn't have the greatest of trips either IMO, as he was wider and had a lot to do for a 2-year-old......NLS slipped through the inside and had first run and got the jump on Scat Daddy while saving more ground and he still couldn't put away Lukas' horse....the best horse ran over them both.....end of story...Nobiz had no excuses other than he got outrun by a better animal....

[blackthroatedwind]

Hmmmm, a Tagg horse making his second start was beaten by about a length by a Pletcher horse making his thrid start.....and that is conclusive evidence that the winner is the " better animal "?

Yawn.

It will be interesting to see how Scat Daddy does when forced to run without a six week vacation between starts. He seems like a decent horse, though I can't help but be skeptical about his future ( anybody see Keyed Entry recently? ), but it feels far from evident which horse is the better between Scat Daddy and NoBiz but I would guess NoBiz is a shorter price to win next year's Derby at this point.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Hmmmm, a Tagg horse making his second start was beaten by about a length by a Pletcher horse making his thrid start.....and that is conclusive evidence that the winner is the " better animal "?

Yawn.

It will be interesting to see how Scat Daddy does when forced to run without a six week vacation between starts. He seems like a decent horse, though I can't help but be skeptical about his future ( anybody see Keyed Entry recently? ), but it feels far from evident which horse is the better between Scat Daddy and NoBiz but I would guess NoBiz is a shorter price to win next year's Derby at this point.

Yeah Keyed Entry runs about as much as Commentator does......

Scat Daddy will improve going two-turns IMO....maybe not 1 1/4 miles, but he'll love the BC Juvy distance.....and yes, I believe that he is a better animal than anything Albert the Great can produce....

By the way, Scat Daddy was making his fourth start....and that length margin could have further more than it could have been closer IMO.....he was greener than baby shiat the last sixteenth and basically put away NLS, who was struggling to put away Lukas' horse I might add, while only goofing around...

Don't tell me you took 8-5 on that thing???....Ah man, I would hope your a better horse player than that, Andy....

[blackthroatedwind]

Actually Senor Redboarder I bet Pegasus Wind because he was the true overlay in the race.

You really are the Yogi Berra of analogies, by the way, as that comparison between Keyed Entry and Commentator is somewhere between baffling and moronic.

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

The price was the easy part. not the fact he won the race....

By the way, you might want to go back and watch the race....there was NO speed dual at all...you're a little confused evidentally...Lukas' horse had an easy lead through a crawling opening quarter in 24 and change and Nobiz was actually towarsd the rear early with Scat Daddy....Scat Daddy didn't have the greatest of trips either IMO, as he was wider and had a lot to do for a 2-year-old......NLS slipped through the inside and had first run and got the jump on Scat Daddy while saving more ground and he still couldn't put away Lukas' horse....the best horse ran over them both.....end of story...Nobiz had no excuses other than he got outrun by a better animal....

You are too much into times. The front two got busy with each other in the middle of the race and wore each other out. You are telling me Scat Daddy beats shobiz with no Pegasus? Shobiz would have run away. Same horse runs a 1:35 with no company and does just that. These two year olds get very worn with company. Scat Daddy had as easy a run as its gonna get with that size field. I will agree however Scat Daddy was screwing around. Dont matter. Come Derby time, they will be memories. I would never bet that horse at 5-2 in that field. He was the best horse, but I never make that bet.

Nobiz was a complete throwout imo and I stated so BEFORE the race. He actually performed much better than I thought. Pegasus really lengthened and was a great bet at those numbers.

Originally Posted by pgardn

You are too much into times. The front two got busy with each other in the middle of the race and wore each other out. You are telling me Scat Daddy beats shobiz with no Pegasus? Shobiz would have run away. Same horse runs a 1:35 with no company and does just that. These two year olds get very worn with company. Scat Daddy had as easy a run as its gonna get with that size field. I will agree however Scat Daddy was screwing around. Dont matter. Come Derby time, they will be memories. I would never bet that horse at 5-2 in that field. He was the best horse, but I never make that bet.

Nobiz was a complete throwout imo and I stated so BEFORE the race. He actually performed much better than I thought. Pegasus really lengthened and was a great bet at those numbers.

Yeah, I'm saying Scat Daddy beats NLS no matter what Pegasus Wind does...

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Yeah, I'm saying Scat Daddy beats NLS no matter what Pegasus Wind does...

And I say you are wrong.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

The reality of the situation is that it really doesn't matter which particular Pletcher horse is running.For the most part,these horses don't get tired like other horses do(always a helpful advantage to have.)

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Its always easy in hindsight. The horse had a dream of a trip. He basically had the speed get out clean and kill themselves. Hardly the type of trip he had in his last. If you think thats easy money, your nuts. Too much can happen. If Lukas horse does not make that lead and push Sho biz, Scat Daddy would have been lookin at his rear.

Oh its so easy after the race is over.

100% correct.

--Dunbar