Pletcher and his TC Comments

Originally Posted by Gander

How many triple crown races has Todd Pletcher won?

LOL!! Same number as Allen Jerkens, Richard mandella, etc.
But if you wanna take any bets about how many he ends up winning in his life, I'd say the over under will be 15. Hes 38 years old. Most guys dont win one until at least their 40's. Frankel won his only TC race in his 60's, Whittingham in his 70's, Woody Stephens in his 50's, Lukas in his 50's. Baffert and Zito in their 40's.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Gander

How many triple crown races has Todd Pletcher won?

He is currently 0 for 49

Originally Posted by Scav

He is currently 0 for 49

And which one of those horses was favored or was expected to win one of those races? Zero. Tomorrow will mark the first time he sends one(actuallly two) with a legitimate chance to win one.

[Gander]

So he sent out 49 mules? Thats hard to believe. What difference does it make if they were favored or not?

Originally Posted by Gander

So he sent out 49 mules? Thats hard to believe. What difference does it make if they were favored or not?

Well I guess it doesnt. But its not like he failed to get one who really had a shot to win.
I know Tim, Allen Jerkens and Mandella are also complete failures whose remarks should be scoffed at, they like Pletcher are bums for never winning a Tri Crown race. Isn't that kind of silly?

[Exceller]

Could be a moot point after tomorrow. I say he wins 10 before it is done.

Originally Posted by Exceller

Could be a moot point after tomorrow. I say he wins 10 before it is done.

I say 15. Hes only 38. I'd say one every other year for 30 years is completely attainable by him. Lukas won his first in his 50's.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I say 15. Hes only 38. I'd say one every other year for 30 years is completely attainable by him. Lukas won his first in his 50's.

1 every other year? What is he Tiger Woods. He will be competing with his younger talent for years so i am going to say 8-10.

[Gander]

Of course the guy wins 15, probably more. Hes only 38 and hes already had 49 chances, of which none have gotten it done. By the time he hits 50 he will probably have sent out over 100 horses. By the time hes 60, maybe 200 horses. Strength in numbers.

I dont recall saying he was a failure. Show me where I said that?

Originally Posted by Exceller

1 every other year? What is he Tiger Woods. He will be competing with his younger talent for years so i am going to say 8-10.

Great point!!! I forgot about that!! Seth will go on his own some day and win serious races. Geez, you ever meet Seth Exceller? I'm not kidding, he looks like an 18 year old. I think hes only 30 or 31. Imagine being 31 and having been Pletchers head assistant already for over two years? Geez, think hes got a head start in the game?

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Great point!!! I forgot about that!! Seth will go on his own some day and win serious races. Geez, you ever meet Seth Exceller? I'm not kidding, he looks like an 18 year old. I think hes only 30 or 31. Imagine being 31 and having been Pletchers head assistant already for over two years? Geez, think hes got a head start in the game?

Don't know who he is but people skills are a huge thing in getting new owners. Pletcher and his mentor Lukas have great people skills. Pletcher also has his dad so he has a little leg up on everyone. I think George Weaver might have worked for Pletcher too. Maybe, and he seems pretty young.

Originally Posted by Gander

Of course the guy wins 15, probably more. Hes only 38 and hes already had 49 chances, of which none have gotten it done. By the time he hits 50 he will probably have sent out over 100 horses. By the time hes 60, maybe 200 horses. Strength in numbers.

I dont recall saying he was a failure. Show me where I said that?

Well you asked the rhetorical question Tim to which I know you knew the answer. So I gave you a rhetorical answer.
Todd made an intelligent statement. He said the only horse with an incentive to run in the Preakness was the Derby winner. Noone else wants to beat the **** out of their horse with 3 races in 3 states in 5 weeks. Thats not valid? especially since he just didn't speak out, he was asked specifically by someone what he felt about the fact that not one horse this year will compete in all three legs. I dunno where others find fault in that but i sure don't see any. The fact that he hasnt won a tri crown race yet doesnt make him less of a credible person to answer that question. He gave an honest candid answer. Hell the Sheikh is just outright skipping the Belmont with a horsew ho would have been 1-2 and I don't see anybody bashing him. Quite frankly, he did the right thing. Why beat the hell out of a horse back on three weeks rest with all the races left this year to run in?
Fact is that the "traditionalists" don't own or train horses. real easy to tell someone else what to do with their property. fact is that people no longer believe that running in 3 races that quick is good for a horse. Lets take teh Sheikh, heck he doesnt need money, he doesnt need stud money either!!!! yet he made a choice not to run in the Belmont. Now what does that tell you? It tells me that a guy with no financial pressure at all decided to do what he felt was best for his horse. Obviously others agree with him.

Originally Posted by Exceller

Don't know who he is but people skills are a huge thing in getting new owners. Pletcher and his mentor Lukas have great people skills. Pletcher also has his dad so he has a little leg up on everyone. I think George Weaver might have worked for Pletcher too. Maybe, and he seems pretty young.

Seth took over for Weaver as asst when Weaver left. Seth is one hell of a nice guy, he will do just fine when he ever goes on his own. But i can't see him leaving for a long time. Hes so young and seems to be sucking in all that he can learn from Todd and being around such nice horses. Trust me, some day Seth is gonna be to Todd what Todd is to Wayne.

No way does Pletcher win more than 10TC races. It is so hard to win one. I know Pletcher is only 38, but he will not continue to get the stock that he gets. He will get more and more competition from younger trainers as the years go bye. Plus he still will compete with Baffert, Zito, Romans and Asmussen.

[alysheba4]

damn, gander always gets shot dowm from oracle

Originally Posted by alysheba4

damn, gander always gets shot dowm from oracle

NO NO that wasnt my point to shoot down Timmy. My point is that the guy was asked a question, he didnt get on a soapbox and start preaching. Gander would be right if Todd had just decided to start preaching. But he didn't. The guy was asked a question, and gave a good answer. I don't know why everyone can't see that, not just Tim.

[Gander]

Oracle is a bully. We all know that. If you cant see it then go see your eye doctor or call 1-800-Contact.

I think Todd gives the best interview as anyone when it comes to horse racing. He is intelligent and answers the question without bashing anyone or touting his own talent. Todd is a good man and a good trainer. I just disagree with him when it comes to an incentive to race in the TC.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I think Todd gives the best interview as anyone when it comes to horse racing. He is intelligent and answers the question without bashing anyone or touting his own talent. Todd is a good man and a good trainer. I just disagree with him when it comes to an incentive to race in the TC.

Euro thats fine, and phrased like that i respect the comment. I actually don't really disagree. I just think that Tood gave an honest opinion when asked a question and doesnt deserve grief for it.
Noone does the sport prouder than Todd. Hes always meticulous in his appearance and his speech. If we had more guys like Todd in the game we would all be better off. I think hes getting a bum rap. If that makes me a bully then so be it.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Euro thats fine, and phrased like that i respect the comment. I actually don't really disagree. I just think that Tood gave an honest opinion when asked a question and doesnt deserve grief for it.
Noone does the sport prouder than Todd. Hes always meticulous in his appearance and his speech. If we had more guys like Todd in the game we would all be better off. I think hes getting a bum rap. If that makes me a bully then so be it.

I dont think Todd should get any grief about what he said. His answer was well thought out and makes sense. And you are right, Todd always looks good and acts in a very dignified way.

Oracle--do you think there should be an incentive? If so--what would it be?