Pletcher going to California

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Stud,
Thats not the real reason. I told you this past summer I had spoken to more than one trainer(Todd wasnt one of them) who was fed up with the purses and lack of allowances and msw's at Gulf. There are more who will announce it in the future.
But none of em are gonna come out and bash Gulf. 1) because they all train for or want the opportunity to train for Stronach. 2) Because they don't want their stall space reduced.

Sure does sound like they are going for the poly. Thanks for your misinformation again and again and again.

[blackthroatedwind]

It is far more likely that in 2010 Todd Pletcher will train every horse in America than every surface will be Polytrack.

Not sure which is a scarier thought.

[sumitas]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It is far more likely that in 2010 Todd Pletcher will train every horse in America than every surface will be Polytrack.

Not sure which is a scarier thought.

HAHAHArrrr...i'm sure a lot of east coast trainers are saying Brilliant !! Pletch, take more with ya, LOL.

[Round Pen]

Oracle I understand what you are saying but here is why I think Your arguement holds no Water.

SLOTS

Here is the latest update I could find concerning slots this winter at Gulfstream

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...s/15494613.htm

Originally Posted by Round Pen

Oracle I understand what you are saying but here is why I think Your arguement holds no Water.

SLOTS

Here is the latest update I could find concerning slots this winter at Gulfstream

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...s/15494613.htm

Round Pen I'm not making any argument. I'm giving you a direct quote from a guy who trains there.
And have they announced purse raises yet?
Furthermore, have they announced more msw's and allowance races?

[randallscott35]

Makes sense. Can't stand Gulfstream, I won't bet a penny on it anymore. ANything to help field sizes in Cal is a good thing.

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Makes sense. Can't stand Gulfstream, I won't bet a penny on it anymore. ANything to help field sizes in Cal is a good thing.

Randall I'm stunned!! You mean you don't like field after field of 8 claimers and maiden claimers? LOL!
Horsemen were up in arms last year over the lack of places to run quality horses. They wouldnt even write allowance preps for 3Yo's and trid to force everyone into stakes which angered Zito and Pletcher to name just two.
California at least attempts to fill allowance races and they are vital to horse developmentand plotting to get to stakes races.
The cards at Gulf last year were awful, for horseman and for betting fans.
They should call it the cheap claiming festival of the sun.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

ANything to help field sizes in Cal is a good thing.

Todd Pletcher wont help field size, eventually he'll hurt it.

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Makes sense. Can't stand Gulfstream, I won't bet a penny on it anymore. ANything to help field sizes in Cal is a good thing.

According to a buddy/owner, Cali has been very actively solicitling for horses this year. Big purses, small fields = happy owners/trainers.

Add the Anti Gulfstream argument over the MSW and Allowance races, with the 1 - poor saddling area in the tunnel, 2 - the small paddock ring with an elevated ramp from and to the track that trainers dislike 3 - and the piece de resistance, the short run to the turn for 1 1/8 races and no possibility of running 1 1/16 races . plus the obvious rotten purse structure. Is it any wonder that so many 3 yo horses were shipped out of town to run their preps, rather than run at Gulfstream ?

Patrick Biancone got it right and went out west for the winter and Pletcher is following and is simply making the most of a good opportunity timing wise.He will see if the Gulf slots will actually make a difference and see how things work out on the west coast. I remember that Dutrow tried the west coast thing without much success a couple of years ago too !

[quote=Round Pen]Oracle I understand what you are saying but here is why I think Your arguement holds no Water.

SLOTS

Here is the latest update I could find concerning slots this winter at Gulfstream

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...s/15494613.htm[/QUOTE
I just read the article, and Round Pen? Could please show me the part where it shows how much the purses are being raised this year and the part where management promises to write more maiden special weights and allowance races?
I'm a pretty good with reading, and I just can't find those parts.

I has said in the past that Tabor loves PolyTrack. Pletcher also loves PolyTrack in the terms of training. He doesn't mind racing on the surface. But he would rather have his horses train over the surface than race over it. Hollywood/Santa Anita has some great races for horses in Cali in the fall and winter. You have the Moccasin Stakes, Hollywood Prevue, Sharp Cat, Citation, Miesque, Hollywood Derby, Hollywood Futurity, etc etc etc. No other place has the Nov/Dec stakes schedule like Hollywood/Santa Anita has. Only makes sense to follow the money.

[Round Pen]

First off I did not say there was anything in the article about purse increases I simply stated that here is the latest article on slots at GP. but I have read were it will increase purse distribution by 100,000 a day the 1st year. I will have to do a little search but I will find the article.

Originally Posted by Round Pen

First off I did not say there was anything in the article about purse increases I simply stated that here is the latest article on slots at GP. but I have read were it will increase purse distribution by 100,000 a day the 1st year. I will have to do a little search but I will find the article.

So if you were a trainer with hundreds of horses and owners upset over a lack of spots to run a horse with good purse money at Gulf, would you take that article to the owners and say we are all set?