Pletcher going to California

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Then why do his KY horses train at Churchill Downs instead of Turfway? What do you think he going to say? "I have so many freaking maidens that I cant possibly run them all. Please dont send me anymore!" Business expand when they are growing and no business in racing is growing more than Todd Pletchers.

Bingo. And I personally know two other guys considering a Cali division this winter because of disgust with Gulf's lack of purses and lack of maiden races and allowance races.
As one guy said "That place is HORRIBLE! Its the only place in the world where you get to a run a horse against Bandini for a 30 grand purse." That pretty much sums it up.

[sumitas]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It is far more likely that in 2010 Todd Pletcher will train every horse in America than every surface will be Polytrack.

Not sure which is a scarier thought.

HAHAHArrrr...i'm sure a lot of east coast trainers are saying Brilliant !! Pletch, take more with ya, LOL.

[Round Pen]

Oracle I understand what you are saying but here is why I think Your arguement holds no Water.

SLOTS

Here is the latest update I could find concerning slots this winter at Gulfstream

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...s/15494613.htm

Originally Posted by Round Pen

Oracle I understand what you are saying but here is why I think Your arguement holds no Water.

SLOTS

Here is the latest update I could find concerning slots this winter at Gulfstream

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...s/15494613.htm

Round Pen I'm not making any argument. I'm giving you a direct quote from a guy who trains there.
And have they announced purse raises yet?
Furthermore, have they announced more msw's and allowance races?

[randallscott35]

Makes sense. Can't stand Gulfstream, I won't bet a penny on it anymore. ANything to help field sizes in Cal is a good thing.

[quote=Round Pen]Oracle I understand what you are saying but here is why I think Your arguement holds no Water.

SLOTS

Here is the latest update I could find concerning slots this winter at Gulfstream

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...s/15494613.htm[/QUOTE
I just read the article, and Round Pen? Could please show me the part where it shows how much the purses are being raised this year and the part where management promises to write more maiden special weights and allowance races?
I'm a pretty good with reading, and I just can't find those parts.

I has said in the past that Tabor loves PolyTrack. Pletcher also loves PolyTrack in the terms of training. He doesn't mind racing on the surface. But he would rather have his horses train over the surface than race over it. Hollywood/Santa Anita has some great races for horses in Cali in the fall and winter. You have the Moccasin Stakes, Hollywood Prevue, Sharp Cat, Citation, Miesque, Hollywood Derby, Hollywood Futurity, etc etc etc. No other place has the Nov/Dec stakes schedule like Hollywood/Santa Anita has. Only makes sense to follow the money.

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Makes sense. Can't stand Gulfstream, I won't bet a penny on it anymore. ANything to help field sizes in Cal is a good thing.

Randall I'm stunned!! You mean you don't like field after field of 8 claimers and maiden claimers? LOL!
Horsemen were up in arms last year over the lack of places to run quality horses. They wouldnt even write allowance preps for 3Yo's and trid to force everyone into stakes which angered Zito and Pletcher to name just two.
California at least attempts to fill allowance races and they are vital to horse developmentand plotting to get to stakes races.
The cards at Gulf last year were awful, for horseman and for betting fans.
They should call it the cheap claiming festival of the sun.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

ANything to help field sizes in Cal is a good thing.

Todd Pletcher wont help field size, eventually he'll hurt it.

[randallscott35]

Well Mike, they'd have more horses in Cal if they didn't break down so many horses every day at Del Mar. Disgraceful.

[horse for the course]

I'm surprised it has taken this long to field a string out west given the size and scope of his stable. He may be looking for a fresh path to the Triple Crown since he has not fared too well out east in that regard.

[Round Pen]

First off I did not say there was anything in the article about purse increases I simply stated that here is the latest article on slots at GP. but I have read were it will increase purse distribution by 100,000 a day the 1st year. I will have to do a little search but I will find the article.

[Independent George]

They can complain all they want. Gulfstream is the place to go for the winter. Their purses may not be what Cals are but they are better than Tampa or Fairgrounds and Oaklawn has no turf racing. Do you really think Pletcher will have a full string at Aqueduct ??
Gulfstream will have full fields and the usual "suspects"..er..I mean trainers, including Zito.
Not many trainers nor owners who are based in the East are going to be willing to send their horses 3,000 miles away.
You will still see most of the better horses coming through south Florida this Spring.

Originally Posted by Round Pen

First off I did not say there was anything in the article about purse increases I simply stated that here is the latest article on slots at GP. but I have read were it will increase purse distribution by 100,000 a day the 1st year. I will have to do a little search but I will find the article.

So if you were a trainer with hundreds of horses and owners upset over a lack of spots to run a horse with good purse money at Gulf, would you take that article to the owners and say we are all set?

Originally Posted by Independent George

They can complain all they want. Gulfstream is the place to go for the winter. Their purses may not be what Cals are but they are better than Tampa or Fairgrounds and Oaklawn has no turf racing. Do you really think Pletcher will have a full string at Aqueduct ??
Gulfstream will have full fields and the usual "suspects"..er..I mean trainers, including Zito.
Not many trainers nor owners who are based in the East are going to be willing to send their horses 3,000 miles away.
You will still see most of the better horses coming through south Florida this Spring.

George stick to what you know. Pletcher will have a FULL STRING at NY this winter, just like he did last year.
George guess who has higher purses for allowance and MSW's? Gulf or Aqueduct? Care to make a wager George?
Not to mention the fact that they write three times as many at Aqueduct. Wake up george, noone cares about the weather in this game anymore, its all about the money, every bit of it.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Todd Pletcher wont help field size, eventually he'll hurt it.

absolutely-- they will duck him the way many do on the east coast.

Near as I can tell from listening to jealous rivals, Pletcher is also responsible for the Kennedy asassination and the kidnapping of the Lindenburgh baby.

[Round Pen]

Boy O boy you sure get a little defensive when someone does not agree with you. GP is going in the right direction as far as slots are conerned and yes they will help increase the purse structure in the future.

I dont know when this will actually take place but it will happen.

[Independent George]

Originally Posted by oracle80

George stick to what you know. Pletcher will have a FULL STRING at NY this winter, just like he did last year.
George guess who has higher purses for allowance and MSW's? Gulf or Aqueduct? Care to make a wager George?
Not to mention the fact that they write three times as many at Aqueduct. Wake up george, noone cares about the weather in this game anymore, its all about the money, every bit of it.

What the f**k is that supposed to mean? You love to come across as the end-all; be-all in thoroughbred racing. You KNOW everyone; all the trainers talk to you. What I DO know is you are a pompous a-hole.
Duh, Aqueduct has bigger purses than Gulf. Did I say otherwise? Does Aqueduct have turf racing in Dec; Jan; Feb; March?? Where do you think Pletcher's owners may have winter homes? Where do you think they would rather have their horse training? Racing?...at Aqueduct with the wind-driven snow and the 10 deg wind-chill and, of course, the fantastic Inner Track. Do you think his owners care that much about a 10% difference in purses that they would rather their horses prep for the Spring races at balmy Long Island??
I know I dont know as much as you, your highness, but try to bear with us neophytes if just for the cause of bringing new members to this austere bastion of Racing knowledge, for your haughtiness just accomplishes the opposite affect.

[Revolution]

the misinformation and attacks on gulfstream border on incompetence. the track is headed in the right direction. the training facility at palm meadows is excellent. i don't see how anyone can judge a track based on one season where they were going through growing pains. remember the kentucky derby winner, the preakness winner, and the belmont winner were all based out of gulfstream.