Breeders Cup - Page 2

Sightseek · #21 09-11-2006, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

A ham sandwich means he will get nothing at all, an off the board finish. Henny Hughes is the real deal.

I'm staying away from LM, but I think he will take a fair enough amount of $$.

SniperSB23 · #22 09-11-2006, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

I'm staying away from LM, but I think he will take a fair enough amount of $$.

It is a little tough to figure odds before everyone has had their final prep. If Lava Man goes in the Goodwood and throws up a 120 Beyer then he will take plenty of money.

Sightseek · #23 09-11-2006, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

It is a little tough to figure odds before everyone has had their final prep. If Lava Man goes in the Goodwood and throws up a 120 Beyer then he will take plenty of money.

I don't know about a 120, but I honestly don't see him getting beat in CA, unless he does enter that turf race against The Tin Man and even then he has a very good shot to win. (and this is coming from the LM anti-goo-goo

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SniperSB23 · #24 09-11-2006, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

I don't know about a 120, but I honestly don't see him getting beat in CA, unless he does enter that turf race against The Tin Man and even then he has a very good shot to win. (and this is coming from the LM anti-goo-goo

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He hasn't been winning his races in especially impressive times or by impressive margins so his figures are down this year. His four dirt starts this year have gone 99-113-109-110. Last year he had a three race stretch where he went 116-120-112.

#25 09-11-2006, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Gander

I'm looking forward to taking a shot against Henny Hughes against older horses in the sprint. While enormously talented, I think he is one of the best favorites to take a stand against.

Gander, people just dont understand how hard it is for a 3 year old to beat older horses no matter how talented the 3 year old is. There are some good older spinters out there. Going to be tough for Henny to beat this group.

Gander · #26 09-11-2006, 10:11 AM

I agree Euro, tough to beat older horses, especially in the Sprint Division. We saw what happened to Lost in the Fog in last year's BC. Pretty hard to think that Lost in the Fog wasnt every bit as talented (I happen to think more) than Henny Hughes is.

Whats more is Henny will have to face a tougher group in this year's Sprint. War Front looms large and Pomeroy is back in shape.

jpops757 · #27 09-11-2006, 10:32 AM

Extremly talented group of 3yr olds but with short prices they are a bet against in all BC races. Even the freek Bernadeni. With success this will be proof of the quality of this years 3yr olds. Having said all this with the propper set up I will probably play them. I guess the bottom line is 3yr olds stepping up to older horses is a complete new league. While we are on the subject why are So. Hem 4yr olds alowwed to compete against 3yr olds up north?

SniperSB23 · #28 09-11-2006, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Gander

I agree Euro, tough to beat older horses, especially in the Sprint Division. We saw what happened to Lost in the Fog in last year's BC. Pretty hard to think that Lost in the Fog wasnt every bit as talented (I happen to think more) than Henny Hughes is.

Whats more is Henny will have to face a tougher group in this year's Sprint. War Front looms large and Pomeroy is back in shape.

I know how hard it is for a 3yo to beat older horses which is why I find it so funny that everyone is already anointing Bernardini as the BC Classic winner off wins over Bluegrass Cat, Minister's Bid, and Sweetnorthernsaint. Could Bernardini win the Classic? Absolutely but it is a much tougher task than others are making it out to be. Let's see him get by Invasor first.

In the case of Henny he has dealt with a pace in the King's Bishop that should have absolutely cooked him and he was able to prevail. LITF did not have that going into the BC last year. I can fully understand why others would pick against him but I think he'll surprise a lot of people come BC day.

SniperSB23 · #29 09-11-2006, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jpops757

Extremly talented group of 3yr olds but with short prices they are a bet against in all BC races. Even the freek Bernadeni. With success this will be proof of the quality of this years 3yr olds. Having said all this with the propper set up I will probably play them. I guess the bottom line is 3yr olds stepping up to older horses is a complete new league. While we are on the subject why are So. Hem 4yr olds alowwed to compete against 3yr olds up north?

They aren't allowed in 3 year old races. Obviously they are allowed in 3 year old and up races.

#30 09-11-2006, 12:13 PM

I think that as usual there will be many good prices on winners. The exception will be the Classic where Bernardini wins once again.

Pointg5 · #31 09-11-2006, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce

Gander, people just dont understand how hard it is for a 3 year old to beat older horses no matter how talented the 3 year old is. There are some good older spinters out there. Going to be tough for Henny to beat this group.

Reraise and Cajun Beat didn't have a problem with it and these 3yo's are probably better than those two...

Pointg5 · #32 09-11-2006, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5

Reraise and Cajun Beat didn't have a problem with it and these 3yo's are probably better than those two...

Also, I believe these two had their last prep in the Kentucky Cup Sprint, they won without ever facing elders before the BC...

Gander · #33 09-11-2006, 01:07 PM

I didnt say it couldnt be done and certainly in the case of Bernardini, he should be the favorite going into the Classic. I seriously doubt Invasor or Sun King will give him much of a battle in the Jockey Club.

Henny Hughes is a real nice horse but I think hes very beatable using War Front. That field in the Kings Bishop wasnt much. Although on that day he probably would have beaten almost any sprinter alive.

smuthg · #34 09-11-2006, 02:00 PM

What about Discreet Cat? If he shows up in any race on B/C day, he'll win for fun... I really like Happy Ticket in the Distaff.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #35 09-12-2006, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Gander

I didnt say it couldnt be done and certainly in the case of Bernardini, he should be the favorite going into the Classic. I seriously doubt Invasor or Sun King will give him much of a battle in the Jockey Club.

Henny Hughes is a real nice horse but I think hes very beatable using War Front. That field in the Kings Bishop wasnt much. Although on that day he probably would have beaten almost any sprinter alive.

Henny Hughes is very talented, but I won't formulate an opinion about him until the I see him in the Vosburgh. I have a question...Could Discreet Cat be pointed to this race? I too know that the three year olds have a harder time in the BC races, but they have fared well in them if put in correct spots. If Discreet Cat goes in this race, I don't think that there is a horse in the country that can beat him. He beat older in Dubai. His running style sets him up perfectly for a race like this, and he may turn out to be one of the fastest horses that we have ever seen. He is so unbelievably fast... His last race was unreal off of a layoff like that....

SniperSB23 · #36 09-12-2006, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Henny Hughes is very talented, but I won't formulate an opinion about him until the I see him in the Vosburgh. I have a question...Could Discreet Cat be pointed to this race? I too know that the three year olds have a harder time in the BC races, but they have fared well in them if put in correct spots. If Discreet Cat goes in this race, I don't think that there is a horse in the country that can beat him. He beat older in Dubai. His running style sets him up perfectly for a race like this, and he may turn out to be one of the fastest horses that we have ever seen. He is so unbelievably fast... His last race was unreal off of a layoff like that....

Discreet Cat is going to the Jerome. I think he will be best around a mile so don't think it would make sense to take on elders at six furlongs. Discreet Cat had a nicer final time in his allowance race than Henny had in the King's Bishop but Henny was actually half a second faster through six furlongs.

King Glorious · #37 09-16-2006, 01:45 PM

I think this year's BC has some really outstanding talent at the top but is seriously lacking in depth. I think that once u get past Discreet Cat, Bernardini, and Lava Man, the Classic is a pretty weak field. Hopefully Shirocco goes there to liven it up a bit. But I'd actually rather see him in the Turf. That race could be the race of the day. He would be joined by Hurricane Run, Dylan Thomas, and Cacique plus maybe a couple of others from Europe. Wouldn't it be great to have the top mares like Ouija Board and Alexandrova take on the boys in that race too instead of going in the F/M Turf? I know they didn't have the option back then to go in the restricted race but some females have fared well in the open Turf. I'm sure everyone remembers these horses:

All Along-2nd by a neck in 1984
Pebbles-won in 1985
Estrapade-3rd in 1986
Indian Skimmer-3rd by 1 1/4 in 1988
Sierra Roberta-2nd by a head in 1989 (as a 3yo)
Miss Alleged-won in 1991
Hatoof-2nd by 1 1/2 in 1994
Borgia-2nd by 3/4 in 1997 (as a 3yo)

I'm not expecting much from the other divisions. I think the Distaff is loaded with names but will be a disappointing race. Same with the Sprint after Henny Hughes romps. Since the afformentioned fillies will probably go in the F/M Turf, that should be a good race. Ouija Board, Alexander Goldrun, Alexandrova, Film Maker, Wait a While, Gorella, Angara, Mandesha. Should be pretty good. I don't have any excitement for the Mile as yet. I don't know any of the 2yo's well enough to have any thoughts on those races.