luka$$ fading

[Crown@club]

Everybody runs there course. Heck they they wanted Paterno out of Penn State for a few years recently. What happened? He had a great season. Where was the talk from before. It happens every year with everyone.

Can we get rid of this thread? Let me re-state this. This thread actually has some good comments.

But can we get the Title change.

At least change it to Lukas Fading! This board shouldn't allow such titles.

[Togacapper]

Just thought I would throw this in. Been reading this thread. I thought the job he did with Spain was incredible. Just my opinion.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

This is my opinion. I have worked with horses all of my life, and those of you who have not worked with them don't understand how incredibly hard it is to do what trainers like Todd Pletcher, Bob Baffert, Bobby Frankel, Nick Zito, Steve Asmussen, and D. Wayne Luckas (just to name a few) have done. To train that many champions is incredible, and I am not so quick to judge trainers or jockeys anymore because I know first-hand what can go wrong with a horse. Horses are such fragile creatures, and what is worse is they can't tell you when something may be hurting them a little bit. For example, in reality (and don't attack me for this), Barbaro COULD HAVE HAD some sort of an injury before they ever put him in the starting gate that went undetected because some injuries are so hard to find. It is a gamble, and EVERYONE involved with horses usually makes a few huge mistakes in their career just because this is a sport where it is so easy to make mistakes, and it is a sport in which anything can go wrong. Unfortunately, some of those mistakes turn into fatalities or retirements. That is the sport of horse racing...the sport of kings. It is not for the faint-hearted. As for D. Wayne Lukas, he may have over-stepped his boundaries more than normal in the past few years. I must admit that the stunt he pulled with Going Wild last year infuriated me to no end. D. Wayne Luckas may be in a slump, and he may have made some bad desicions in the past few years, but EVERY trainer will go through this sometime in their career. In fact, who am I to judge someone who has given so much to the sport, and who has produced champion after champion after champion? One thing is for sure, I will never forget that terrific run for the Triple Crown that he gave us with Charismatic back in 1999.

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

Originally Posted by monipenny

Who the hell are you to call Lukas a assshole anyway. Are you some ethically bound prick yourself who thumps his chest because you choose to believe what the media writes. Have you ever heard the word inference? Do you know what the word implies? I look forward to your rebuttal on this one. Also now that you brought up O. J. which I think you did- does imply you think he is guilty. Well a jury of his peers sure as hell didn't so that must mean you personally know more then the police and countless other people to imply he was guilty; or was this just your opinion? I suppose too that Barry Bonds arguably the greatest baseball player to grace this planet is guilty- based on what, unfounded accusations and never once testing positive for steroids or illegal substances. I believe in this country YOU ARE INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY for the aforementioned people above. Know if you personally know Lukas and state he is a prick now that is your own opinion, but please use a original thought through that pea sized brain of yours and come up with strong facts when fightin with the big dogs.

who am i moni? who the hell are you? certainly one who is blind LOL! a big dog? nothing i claim to be but i am a racehorseowner and i also select horses to claim for other owners in my trainers barn, i do have some involvement in this industry. do i imply oj is guilty? guilty as sin. you had a racist cop, a prosecutor named marcia clark who was banging one of the other prosecutors during the trial instead of doing her job and a city that was afriad of another rodney king type riot, thats why oj wasnt convicted in the CRIMINAL trial! he was convicted rather quickly in the civil trial however. barry bonds the greatest baseball player ever? LMFAO you get more hilarious by the minute? hell dumba$$(since you like calling names) he ADMITTED to using the creme and claims he thought it was for"arthritis"........LOL damn your as gullible as barry foolishly expected the public to believe. the year he hooks up with the balco guy is the year he breaks the home run record..............again youre blind!


jeff you wanna call me a hyppocrite? well since you relike to call old posts of mine from the espn board the summer pval and julie were riding and competing against each on a daily basis ata extremely high level i was personally rooting for pval. i was rooting for the man to finally overcome all of his demons permanently. unfortunately that didnt happen and he pulled his MIA act and lied etc etc etc. hes been givin one too many chances, more than a "average" rider would. how many people would give a rats a$$ about pval if he couldnt ride, my guess is very few.


well with the idiocy of some1 i dont know and some who i considers friends attacking me i guess its about time for me to head out to arlington and spend some time with the horses in the barn(always makes me feel better whether its a good or bad day) and hopefully watch the barn win a race. enjoy the rest of your day people

Originally Posted by monipenny

Look Playa sometimes I react and judge faster then my keys type. As far as being a horse owner and advising and purchasing horses for other people for the industry, I think that is great. The claiming game and the smaller fringe people are what keeps this game going. As you stated- you are a owner and I can appreciate and respect that immensely. I however I'm not a owner but dad is however. I could list the many horses he owns and runs just primarily at Del Mar but they are to many. I'll just say his first horse was Saratoga Gambler that Bill Spawr halved for 80 or 100 grand. Bill told my father that he had a plan for this horse and that he did. Saratoga Gambler won the Ancient Title which was a Grade II or Grade III at that time. I believe that early in racing southern cal had no designation of Grade I stakes for sprints- New York mostly carried that tradition- Carter, Tom Fool, etc. My point is that so cal was behind the curve with designating these races such as Triple Bend, Ancient Titlle and so on. These races now carry Grade I status because several horses have exited these races to go on to win the Breeders Cup Sprint. e.g. Craig Dollase gelding for Paul Reddam won the Sprint, Jennine Sahadi had two- One of Scuds favorite horses and sires win the Sprint at Woodbine and also the 7 year old gelding that won with the Nak up for her second consecutive Sprint winner. Playa look you obviously know your stuff as you advised that Fantastic New Way was privately purchased by Turf Express and that he would be having a big meet in chi town. He ran once over that yielding turf course this last month and Ariel Smith did not ask the horse because he didn't lift his feet that day. Well maybe he just loves Lone Star where he broke his maiden at 20-1. Probably because Turf Express promptly shipped this filly to Cody Autrey's barn at Lone Star then win easily this last weekend with Cliff Berry up at 4-1. I slammed that filly on the win end and had a 3 dollar that paid 241.50 for $1. Also had 20 dollar straight pik 3 singling filly with 1/5 next race and 6 horses in last. I got nailed by that piece of **** Seeking thr Gold 5 year old who won by a head over my other horse. That horse has costed me tons as he beat my ass opening day at Oaklawn for Tom durant and trained by Jack Burner. What a team Ronnie and Tom made killing everyone with those two year olds for years. Don't worry he has Oxbow farms now; formerly Prestonwood farms. That filly Ermine could really make some noise- only if she had won that Ky Oaks-DAM. Listen I made a mistake attacking you and my info is your info. I look forward to corresponding with ya via DT and email. MONNIPENNY OUT

Playa I am a friend but you have beating on Lukas for years and always bring back the Antley thing. YOU are just wrong, even Somer tried to explain it to you. The guy took hours of interview footage, and cut out 90% of it. He showed the disparaging remarks about Antley not bonding with the horse(perhaps you forgot that while riding Strike The gold for Zito he missed a workout one morning, bringing the same exact criticism from Zito). They didn't show the part of the interview where Lukas praised Antley for his fine rides and credited him with saving the horses life. The guy who made the interview admitted all of this, it was public.
Its tiring dude, if you wanna hate someone go for it, but noone cares about the Antley thing because the rest of us know that the interview that was SHOWN wasnt the full story, and thats not Waynes fault.\
I don't disagree with much you say, but on this one I always will disagree and speak out. Its not personal.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Hey guys, It's me richi42. I got tired of that name so I changed it.
Anyway, I totally agree with Playa. We have these debates about Lukas every few months. I know what he's accomplished but there are reasons for it. Last time we discussed this, Landson totally agreed with me that much of Lukas' success in the 1980s had to do with him being several years ahead of the other trainers in terms of pharmocolgy. He was practically the only guy that had all of his 2 year olds on steroids. His 2 year olds were as physically mature as 3 year olds. This gave Lukas a huge edge. His 3 year olds were bigger and stronger than everyone else's.
As I've stated before, nobody breaks down more horses percentage wise. Some of the biggest insurance companies will not insure his horses. What more do you need to know?

[Rupert Pupkin]

I don't know anyone in the business that thinks Lukas is a good trainer. Have any of you been to the track in the morning? Have you seen Lukas' horses train? His horses are so sore it is unbelievable. Everyone just shakes their heads every time they see another one of his horses hobble by.

[Rupert Pupkin]

I agree with a lot of what you are saying but not about Eugene Klein. If my memory is correct, Klein totally felt like Lukas duped him and Klein was considering suing Lukas before he died.
As I've said before, Lukas had a lot of good qualities. He was bright, a hard worker, extremely driven, very well organized, had great assistants, was a great salesman, was a great public relations guy, etc. I do think he was good at picking yearlings, but when you have the resources to buy the horses with the best pedigress and the best confirmation, it makes picking yearlings much easier.