"We’re in trouble"....D.Wayne Lucas

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Mark Hening and Dallas Stewart???....

If those INEPT Mofos are juicing, they must have the PLACEBO.

[dean smith]

Why is D. Wayne Lukas the object of so much scorn around here? That's an honest question -- I'm not trying to be combative. Since I started following the sport minimally about ten years ago he's pretty much been off the radar as far as the big dogs of the sport were concerned. I've absorbed enough of the game's history since to know that he practically owned the '80s, won four Kentucky Derbies, was the face of horseracing, etc. He was the most successful trainer out there. What happened in between? How did he become (relatively, to what he was) such complete horse$hit? Why are so many people seemingly happy about his fall from the top?

I've got so many questions...

Like: What is the correct way to spell the plural of "Derby?" Is it derbies or derbys? Neither one looks right to me for some reason.

[Arletta]

Originally Posted by dean smith

Why is D. Wayne Lukas the object of so much scorn around here? That's an honest question -- I'm not trying to be combative. Since I started following the sport minimally about ten years ago he's pretty much been off the radar as far as the big dogs of the sport were concerned. I've absorbed enough of the game's history since to know that he practically owned the '80s, won four Kentucky Derbies, was the face of horseracing, etc. He was the most successful trainer out there. What happened in between? How did he become (relatively, to what he was) such complete horse$hit? Why are so many people seemingly happy about his fall from the top?

I've got so many questions...

Like: What is the correct way to spell the plural of "Derby?" Is it derbies or derbys? Neither one looks right to me for some reason.

Or as the English like to say "Darby's"

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by dean smith

Why is D. Wayne Lukas the object of so much scorn around here? That's an honest question -- I'm not trying to be combative. Since I started following the sport minimally about ten years ago he's pretty much been off the radar as far as the big dogs of the sport were concerned. I've absorbed enough of the game's history since to know that he practically owned the '80s, won four Kentucky Derbies, was the face of horseracing, etc. He was the most successful trainer out there. What happened in between? How did he become (relatively, to what he was) such complete horse$hit? Why are so many people seemingly happy about his fall from the top?

I've got so many questions...

Like: What is the correct way to spell the plural of "Derby?" Is it derbies or derbys? Neither one looks right to me for some reason.

I haven't seen too many scornful comments toward him in this thread but historically there was Codex who supposedly "mugged" Genuine Risk; A reputation as a manager rather than a hands on trainer;High profile horses breaking down.
I have no idea why anyone would feel "happy" about another's fall from the top whoever it may be unless he was a world dictator of some sort.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by dean smith

I've absorbed enough of the game's history since to know that he practically owned the '80s, won four Kentucky Derbies, was the face of horseracing, etc. He was the most successful trainer out there. What happened in between? How did he become (relatively, to what he was) such complete horse$hit?

He lost his biggest owner, Gene Klein. With Klein's money, Lukas was able to compete with foreign buyers at the Keeneland and Saratoga yearling sales. That is not to say that Lukas lacked other owners with deep pockets. He trained for Overbrook, Sanan, Lewis, Tabor, and Thoroughbred Corp, among others, over the years. But those owners tended to spread their horses among several trainers.

[PeteMugg]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i know when i do it, it's intentional. i would rather people quit spelling a lot as one word, they can keep that c in lukas as a trade!


and that pic is hilarious. i wish i'd taken a pic of the 'jewlery' store sign.

I think I could live with these if i never hear the word eXspecially again.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by PeteMugg

I think I could live with these if i never hear the word eXspecially again.

so, i'm not alone on that one either?! yeah, another pet peeve.

[Soaring Softly]

Originally Posted by Cardus

He might have won at least four Belmont Stakes, three of them consecutively.

That's why I said "at least two" Cardus. I knew when I typed my post that there were more than two, but Tabasco Cat and Thunder Gulch were the only ones I could remember at that moment. I thought I'd rather be conditionally wrong than state some number that was completely wrong! LOL!

You said four......the other two are Editor's Note and Commendable, right?

One thing that's neat is that I'll never forget them again!

[westcoastinvader]

Originally Posted by dean smith

Why is D. Wayne Lukas the object of so much scorn around here? That's an honest question -- I'm not trying to be combative. Since I started following the sport minimally about ten years ago he's pretty much been off the radar as far as the big dogs of the sport were concerned. I've absorbed enough of the game's history since to know that he practically owned the '80s, won four Kentucky Derbies, was the face of horseracing, etc. He was the most successful trainer out there. What happened in between? How did he become (relatively, to what he was) such complete horse$hit? Why are so many people seemingly happy about his fall from the top?

I've got so many questions...

Like: What is the correct way to spell the plural of "Derby?" Is it derbies or derbys? Neither one looks right to me for some reason.

Others can likely state more accurately, but I think there is often a feeling his 1980's success came by smart usage of meds. .

For those established fans watching thoroughbred racing real time in the 1980's the media fawning over Lukas and family may have been a bit much. Kinda like the reason most people besides Yankees fans hate the Yankees.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by dean smith

Why is D. Wayne Lukas the object of so much scorn around here? That's an honest question -- I'm not trying to be combative. Since I started following the sport minimally about ten years ago he's pretty much been off the radar as far as the big dogs of the sport were concerned. I've absorbed enough of the game's history since to know that he practically owned the '80s, won four Kentucky Derbies, was the face of horseracing, etc. He was the most successful trainer out there. What happened in between? How did he become (relatively, to what he was) such complete horse$hit? Why are so many people seemingly happy about his fall from the top?

I've got so many questions...

Like: What is the correct way to spell the plural of "Derby?" Is it derbies or derbys? Neither one looks right to me for some reason.

The Lukas trail of carnage is greater than even the Clintons.

[Star of the North]

Yeah, the Coach wasn't kidding. While we were busy watching the first two legs of the Triple Crown, these guys came by and nailed this to the front door:

http://tomudall.senate.gov/files/doc...ub-4-29-10.pdf

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by Star of the North

Yeah, the Coach wasn't kidding. While we were busy watching the first two legs of the Triple Crown, these guys came by and nailed this to the front door:

http://tomudall.senate.gov/files/doc...ub-4-29-10.pdf

It is too bad the industry was too short-sighted and/or self-absorbed to have structured a national governing body on its own. Water under the bridge now.

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

If those INEPT Mofos are juicing, they must have the PLACEBO.

Now this is a CLASSIC post. Well done.

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by Soaring Softly

That's why I said "at least two" Cardus. I knew when I typed my post that there were more than two, but Tabasco Cat and Thunder Gulch were the only ones I could remember at that moment. I thought I'd rather be conditionally wrong than state some number that was completely wrong! LOL!

You said four......the other two are Editor's Note and Commendable, right?

One thing that's neat is that I'll never forget them again!

For the life of me I have no idea how he ever trained a horse to get 1 1/2 miles. It is a fricken MIRACLE when his horses make it a mile against anyone but Oaklawn maidens these days.

Dublin might seriously be a SUPER HORSE, but we likely won't ever find out.

[Buckpasser]

Mine That Bird goes to Lukas
By Jay Privman

Mine That Bird, the 2009 Kentucky Derby winner, left New Mexico on Wednesday morning bound for Churchill Downs, where he will be trained by D. Wayne LuKas, Dr. Leonard Blach, a co-owner of the gelding, said Wednesday.

http://drf.com/news/article/113066.html

Ok, I've gone to to the woodshed for spelling the guys name wrong.

[randallscott35]

Chip didn't just take you to the Derby dipshit, he won it for you.

[Sightseek]

There goes Chip Whooley's sex life.

[TouchOfGrey]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

There goes Chip Whooley's sex life.

[stonegossard]

There goes MTB's life. Lukas will butcher this poor horse.

Then again...those moronic owners of MTB deserve a trainer like Lukas. MTB will run dead last in The Foster. Then ship to Arlington to run dead last in the Million. Then ship to Saratoga to run dead last in The Woodward. Then run 2nd to last in The Jockey Gold Cup (there will be a breakdown in the race). Then finally not finish the race in The BC Classic as MTB finally says "**** this" and bolts from the track mid race.....then runs away to never be seen again to escape Dr. Hannibal Lukas.

[DaTruth]

Wow, their reason for making the switch makes a lot of sense: "Last year, we basically did a one-horse stable, and we didn't think that was feasible this year, especially with the limited amount of races he's going to have this year."