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Old 03-08-2010, 05:45 PM
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He reminds me of High Fly, but not nearly as good.
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Old 03-08-2010, 06:04 PM
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Yeah, what's the problem? I don't want the horse pointing for the Preakness. Please explain why this is a good move and why you're acting as if this move can't be questioned.
Firstly, pointing for the Preakness and actually starting in the Preakness are two different things. If he were to win an allowance and the Derby Trial, where else is he supposed to go? Maybe a prep for the Belmont?

Secondly, see the race records of the last 3 male winners of the Preakness prior to the race (Big Brown, Curlin, Bernardini) and then get back to me.
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Old 03-08-2010, 06:09 PM
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Yes - he's going to have at most 4 races going into the Preakness.
that's far from being pushed, especially in this day and age. he's got the pedigree, he seemingly has talent. if he continues to move forward, there's no reason not to run him. hell, horses go straight to stakes off a maiden win. you're making too much of this.
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Old 03-08-2010, 06:13 PM
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It's my interpretation. I think this horse is very talented, but he just broke his maiden. For all we know, he could never win another race.

I'm not questioning Zito re: Fly Down. I actually like Fly Down as much as MR, if not better. It doesn't sound like he's going to the LA Derby - and that's fine with me.
So because he might never win another race means Zito can't have a target?

I think it probably speaks volumes to what he thinks about Miner's Reserve that he feels like he's capable of being a Preakness horse.

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Old 03-08-2010, 06:15 PM
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So because he might never win another race means Zito can't have a target?

I think it probably speaks volumes to what he thinks about Miner's Reserve that he feels like he's capable of being a Preakness horse.

NT

exactly. i know he's had several the last few years that pointed to the barbaro instead.
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Old 03-08-2010, 06:16 PM
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Yeah, what's the problem? I don't want the horse pointing for the Preakness. Please explain why this is a good move and why you're acting as if this move can't be questioned.
The move can be questioned as being too conservative.

He won his 2nd career start on Feb 27th.

Congaree won his 2nd career start on Feb 28th in a rained off the turf maiden race.

Big Brown won his 2nd career start on March 6th in a rained off the turf N1X alw race.

Name a horse in recent memory who was better in defeat than Congaree was in the KY Derby?

Name a horse who was better in victory than Big Brown? - keep in mind he broke from post 20 and was hung up both turns and still won in surpisingly good time.

Bernardini broke his maiden March 4th in career start #2. He was conservatively pointed to the Preakness.

Which race do you think they should be aiming Miner's Reserve for? The Barbaro stakes on the Preakness undercard?
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Old 03-08-2010, 06:59 PM
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The move can be questioned as being too conservative.

He won his 2nd career start on Feb 27th.

Congaree won his 2nd career start on Feb 28th in a rained off the turf maiden race.

Big Brown won his 2nd career start on March 6th in a rained off the turf N1X alw race.

Name a horse in recent memory who was better in defeat than Congaree was in the KY Derby?

Name a horse who was better in victory than Big Brown? - keep in mind he broke from post 20 and was hung up both turns and still won in surpisingly good time.

Bernardini broke his maiden March 4th in career start #2. He was conservatively pointed to the Preakness.

Which race do you think they should be aiming Miner's Reserve for? The Barbaro stakes on the Preakness undercard?

I think The Barbaro stakes is a good starting point, lol
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Old 03-08-2010, 07:21 PM
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Firstly, pointing for the Preakness and actually starting in the Preakness are two different things. If he were to win an allowance and the Derby Trial, where else is he supposed to go? Maybe a prep for the Belmont?

Secondly, see the race records of the last 3 male winners of the Preakness prior to the race (Big Brown, Curlin, Bernardini) and then get back to me.
Good points.
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Old 03-08-2010, 07:23 PM
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that's far from being pushed, especially in this day and age. he's got the pedigree, he seemingly has talent. if he continues to move forward, there's no reason not to run him. hell, horses go straight to stakes off a maiden win. you're making too much of this.

Ok, I'll concede on this one. I'm just happy that Mineshaft has a few nice horses out there now...
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Old 03-08-2010, 07:25 PM
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So because he might never win another race means Zito can't have a target?

I think it probably speaks volumes to what he thinks about Miner's Reserve that he feels like he's capable of being a Preakness horse.

NT
That's very true........At this point, I'll just take hit one day at a time; believe me, I would love it if Miner's Reserve is good enough. I just tend to be conservative when it comes to these things. Rollo mentioned Bernardini - I don't recall being thrilled that he was being pointed to the Preakness and look how that turned out.
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Old 03-08-2010, 07:27 PM
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The move can be questioned as being too conservative.

He won his 2nd career start on Feb 27th.

Congaree won his 2nd career start on Feb 28th in a rained off the turf maiden race.

Big Brown won his 2nd career start on March 6th in a rained off the turf N1X alw race.

Name a horse in recent memory who was better in defeat than Congaree was in the KY Derby?

Name a horse who was better in victory than Big Brown? - keep in mind he broke from post 20 and was hung up both turns and still won in surpisingly good time.

Bernardini broke his maiden March 4th in career start #2. He was conservatively pointed to the Preakness.

Which race do you think they should be aiming Miner's Reserve for? The Barbaro stakes on the Preakness undercard?
Ok, now that's fair. As I said, I tend to be very conservative... a part of me is pretty excited, I admit. I'm just crossing my fingers that he stays healthy.
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Old 03-08-2010, 07:31 PM
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Old 03-08-2010, 07:52 PM
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Ok, I'll concede on this one. I'm just happy that Mineshaft has a few nice horses out there now...
He's inside the top ten at the moment
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Old 03-08-2010, 09:40 PM
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He's inside the top ten at the moment

Yep - very pleasantly surprised by that.
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Old 03-08-2010, 11:25 PM
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You're the John Ward of message board posters.
That's a bit harsh.

At least she knows how to type and post.
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Old 03-08-2010, 11:42 PM
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Miner's Reserve is owned by Lapenta, who campaigned The Cliff's Edge. He wants a runner in the renamed The Cliff's Edge Derby Trial, which he is sponsoring on behalf of his stallion. As for Fly Down, there's not snowball's chance in hell that he runs in both the Louisiana and Arkansas Derbies. Unless the owner has some agenda involving New Orleans, I imagine we'll see him at Oaklawn since his last race was a tough one on the colt.
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Old 03-09-2010, 07:08 AM
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Miner's Reserve is owned by Lapenta, who campaigned The Cliff's Edge. He wants a runner in the renamed The Cliff's Edge Derby Trial, which he is sponsoring on behalf of his stallion. As for Fly Down, there's not snowball's chance in hell that he runs in both the Louisiana and Arkansas Derbies. Unless the owner has some agenda involving New Orleans, I imagine we'll see him at Oaklawn since his last race was a tough one on the colt.

excellent point. hell, he's putting up the extra purse money, he may as well try to put it back in his own pocket.

and true about the la and ark derbies, i don't see anyone attempting both and then ky.
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Old 03-09-2010, 07:12 AM
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He just broke his MAIDEN, calm down.
This may be the most surprising post in DT history.
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Old 03-09-2010, 07:35 AM
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That's a bit harsh.

At least she knows how to type and post.
I guess I was insulted, lol. I have no idea what I did to him to deserve that, but oh well...
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Old 03-09-2010, 07:37 AM
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Miner's Reserve is owned by Lapenta, who campaigned The Cliff's Edge. He wants a runner in the renamed The Cliff's Edge Derby Trial, which he is sponsoring on behalf of his stallion. As for Fly Down, there's not snowball's chance in hell that he runs in both the Louisiana and Arkansas Derbies. Unless the owner has some agenda involving New Orleans, I imagine we'll see him at Oaklawn since his last race was a tough one on the colt.

I now wish LaPenta didn't own Miner's Reserve from what I hear of him. I'm glad Fly Down is owned by someone else. I thought Nick said after his allowance win that he could be his Belmont horse (or he hinted at it). If so, may as well take their time with him...
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