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you should get down and pray the Tea Party doesn't go away! from your source http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...ssional_ballot and wish he would listen to this poll but fat chance, again from your source. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...reduce_deficit
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A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 75% of likely voters now say they are at least somewhat angry at the government’s current policies, up four points from late November and up nine points since September. The overall figures include 45% who are Very Angry, also a nine-point increase since September. Just 19% now say they’re not very or not at all angry at the government’s policies, down eight points from the previous survey and down 11 from September. That 19% includes only eight percent (8%) who say they’re not angry at all and 11% who are not very angry. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...rrent_policies 75% LMAO yea that's some mandate he's following thru on but hope his ignorance to polls and voters continues. ![]()
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![]() Here is the result of the immoral way of handing out senate seats. A person from:
California is 497% less represented than they should be....Immoral Texas is 290% less represented than they should be....Immoral New York is 215% less represented than they should be...Immoral. Florida is 198% less represented than they should be...Immoral. Illinois is 110% less represented than they should be...Immoral. Penn is 103% less represented than they should be...Immoral. Ohio is 87.5% less represented than they should be...Immoral. Mich is 64.5% less represented than they should be...Immoral. Georgia is 56% less represented than they should be...Immoral. NC is 54% less represented than they should be...Immoral. NJ is 42% less represented than they should be...Immoral. Virginia is 26% less represented than they should be...Immoral. Wash is 5.5% less represented than they should be...Immoral. Mass is 5.5% less represented than they should be...Immoral. AZ is 3.5% less represented than they should be...Immoral. Ind. is 3.5% less represented than they should be...Immoral. Tenn. is 0.5% less represented than they should be. Missouri gets 4.16% Overrepresented Maryland 8.7% Overrepresented Wiscon. gets 9.3% Overrepresented MINN 18%Overrepresented COL 26% Overrepresented ALA 32% Overrepresented SC 39% Overrepresented LOU 43% Overrepresented KENTUCKY 44% Overrepresented (you can see why Cannon's for this cheating.) Oregon 63% Overrepresented O.K. 69% Overrepresented Conn 74% Overrepresented IOWA 104% Overrepresented MISS 111% Overrepresented ARK 115% ...Overrepresented That's right, Zig, you get 115% more say than you should (just because you're in a certain favored location in America.) Oh, how easy it is to rationalize evil when it works in your favor. Kansas 120% Overrepresented Utah 130% Overrepresented Nev 138% Overrepresented NM 212.5% Overrepresented WV 239% Overrepresented NEB 245% Overrepresented ID 308% Overrepresented ME 365% Overrepresented NH 365% Overrepresented HAWAII 376% Overrepresented R.I. 471% Overrepresented MONTANA 545% Overrepresented DEL 614% Overrepresented SD 669% Overrepresented AK 809% Overrepresented ND 852% Overrepresented VER 900% Overrepresented WYO 1076% Overrepresented 544 thousand people in Wyoming get a total of 2 senators. 36.96 million people in California get a total of 2 senators. That's a 70x difference in representation for the citizens involved. Only Americans can couch up some lame rationalization for this elitism. Don't live in a certain unfavored area. You'll get screwed. Giving citizens varying amounts of representation is wrong, and there is no rationalization that can make it right. |
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you're completely ignoring half of the legislative body! the house is based on population, or do you just conveniently ignore that?? i think you need to go back to civics class.
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After all, there is also a reason that state legislatures (rather than voters) were the ones who elected U.S. Senators for decades in this country. Eventually people made the case that this system was undemocratic and should therefore be changed (which it obviously was). Something tells me that if DT had been around at that time, and someone came on here and argued that voters rather than state legislatures should elect U.S. senators.....they would have been told that they must just not understand why the always brilliant authors of the Constitution set up the system the way they did, and if they wanted to make that change they might as well decide everything by having an opinion poll. |
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Also, if people wanted to keep the Senate significantly smaller than the House, that could probably be done too (obviously I mean hypothetically speaking, since none of this will ever happen). Let's say they changed the Senate so that the ten largest states received 4 senators. The next fifteen largest received 3 senators. The next fifteen largest received 2 senators. And the ten smallest states only got one. That would only increase the senate to a total of 125 members, and while it would not completely erase the disparity in representation that currently exists in the senate, it would rectify it considerably. |
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The Republican candidate bowed out when the Tea Party candidate appeared (who I think appeared on the ballot as an "independent", but not sure), and put support behind the Democrat, who then won. The Tea Party (there are various Bagger groups, and a bit of infighting, so that kind of unfairly paints them all with the same name, there is not just one group of "Tea Party" people, there are several) - the TP intends to put up candidates against Republicans in the primaries this fall. We'll see how it works out.
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![]() IMMORAL= not conforming to the patterns of conduct usually accepted or established as consistent with principles of personal and social ethics.
O.K., It is immoral to give people in Ca., NY, Fl, Tex so little representation in the Senate. In the Senate Health Care debate, each American in California was represented 1/70th the amount of an American in Wyoming. You can only lamely justify it (at all) on bills where money is spent on projects in a way that is non-uniform (for instance what state are we going to put a military base in.) On bills such as Medicare, Health Care etc. it's simply an excuse to give an advantage to small states that tend to often have Conservative Rural Populations. Health Care is not the same as military base closings etc. You simply can not make a legit moral argument why someone in a small state should have more say-so in the health care debate. They will all be immoral arguments. Go ahead. Start. I'll show you. This is not some minor issue. This unfair advantage enabled all this trouble to happen with health care. If you simply give Americans in California, New York, Texas, n' Florida their fair representation, then you wouldn't have this mess. Giving people in small states this unfair advantage (in a bill that is so uniform in it's effect on states) can't be justified. It can only be rationalized with flawed immoral arguments. That's why he can't get it through. The people that elected him aren't represented fairly. The people that voted against him are unfairly overrepresented. It's not about the bill. It's about the unfair underrepresentation of people in California, Florida, New York etc. The Democratic Senators in small states like Louisiana, Arkansas, and Nebraska are bowing to the Conservative voters in their states. These voters are the ones who had the say, and the price was paid by Americans in New York, California, and Florida (a classic case of taxation without equal representation.) Americans in certain states, that are poorly represented in the Senate, should have to pay tax only at a rate that is representative of their influence on these issues. Why tax Americans the same rate when you aren't giving them equal representation when making decisions on these bills? Our influence is 450% less than fair, and you want to tax us like any other American. It's bullshit. Tax us the same as you, and then have your views represented from 10-70 times more than ours? Wow. ZIG, YOU HAD 12.8 TIMES MORE INFLUENCE ON THE SENATE HEALTH CARE BILL THAN ME. If it's gunna effect most the people in all the states the same way, then why do you need that special privilege? Last edited by SCUDSBROTHER : 02-11-2010 at 12:08 AM. |
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you are aware, aren't you, that both senators from arkansas voted for obamas health care bill? you're ranting about percentages without paying attention to how those senators voted. the federal govt is made up of 50 individual states. that's why there are two senators from each, regardless of population. not sure why you refuse to pay attention to that. bills begin in the house-where it's based on population. the house is who overrides vetoes. you're only paying attention to half of congress, while ignoring the realities of how the legislative body is made up, and why. sorry you don't like it. not my problem.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/04/ny...rict.html?_r=1 The Repub. got 6% of the vote after she bowed out. There is no such Party as the "Tea Party" yet. Just a lot of people (like myself) who feel both parties are running this country into the ground with endless spending with no way to pay for it except more spending. Obama says when you can't pay the mortgage you shouldn't blow a bunch of money in Vegas, but that is exactly what he himself is doing. Yet another case of O saying one thing then doing the opposite
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