Mandatory Healthcare?

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

Has the real bill even reached the Senate floor yet? I hope they make them read every word of this stinky thing on the floor before another vote.

dont bet on it...they have to get ready for Valentine's Day!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Riot

The President? If speaking of healthcare reform, you might rather speak of your elected officials in Congress and the Senate.

Specifically the GOP which contributed less than nothing but obstruction to this whole process, the Democratic Senator from Nebraska who stalled the Senate bill all by himself to obtain pork for his state (he's a whore, and now we know how much he costs); and the Senator from Connecticut who works for the major insurance companies who have their head offices in his state - the state designed to be most user-friendly to insurance companies regarding lack of regulation.

Opportunistic Parasites:

1)Nebraska Hair Helmut

2)Lieberman(I Shill for Israel.) This individual acted the worst, because his actions had nothing to do with the feelings of the people in his state. The other two do at least come from states that are consistently a-s-s backwards.

3)Don't forget that crook from Louisiana. Miss Mary always gots a whole lotta cash in her drawas.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Opportunistic Parasites:

1)Nebraska Hair Helmut

2)Lieberman(I Shill for Israel.) This individual acted the worst, because his actions had nothing to do with the feelings of the people in his state. The other two do at least come from states that are consistently a-s-s backwards.

3)Don't forget that crook from Louisiana. Miss Mary always gots a whole lotta cash in her drawas.

olympia snow is a republican she offered a trigger plan program that would set off a public option if necessary , sadly the democrats voted that down

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by gales0678

olympia snow is a republican she offered a trigger plan program that would set off a public option if necessary , sadly the democrats voted that down

Oh, I'm certain that bitch had poor people's medical needs #1 on her list of priorities.

[Antitrust32]

I think its funny Riot didnt even say a word about RileyORiley's post yet she had a response to everyone else's.

She doesnt have an agenda

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Oh, I'm certain that bitch had poor people's medical needs #1 on her list of priorities.

no more than harry reid cares about the 80 yr old that won't be able to get the operation anymore becuase there too old and it's too expensive

come on scuds if you beleive either party is fighting for the little guy here you are asleep at the wheel

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by gales0678

no more than harry reid cares about the 80 yr old that won't be able to get the operation anymore becuase there too old and it's too expensive

come on scuds if you beleive either party is fighting for the little guy here you are asleep at the wheel

Some Democrats are, but a lot aren't. No Republicans give a sht about the "little guy." They are just fine with healthcare staying f'd up, and families having to go bankrupt trying to pay doctors 300-400k a year etc. They are just not gunna vote for something that keeps insurance companies from riping people off. You can see no Republican Senators are voting for it, and it's not like any of them say they are real close to voting for it. They don't care about insurance companies turning down patients with previous conditions etc. They don't give a sht about that. They don't care about catastrophic conditions, and limits etc. 55 decent Dems(and 5 filthy whores) have to do it all.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Some Democrats are, but a lot aren't. No Republicans give a sht about the "little guy." They are just fine with healthcare staying f'd up, and families having to go bankrupt trying to pay doctors 300-400k a year etc. They are just not gunna vote for something that keeps insurance companies from riping people off. You can see no Republican Senators are voting for it, and it's not like any of them say they are real close to voting for it. They don't care about insurance companies turning down patients with previous conditions etc. They don't give a sht about that. They don't care about catastrophic conditions, and limits etc. 55 decent Dems(and 5 filthy whores) have to do it all.

why no tort reform in any of the bills scuds? who in wash protects the trial lawyers and there multi million dollara salaries yr ????

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by gales0678

why no tort reform in any of the bills scuds? who in wash protects the trial lawyers and there multi million dollara salaries yr ????

Vets don't have nearly the problem with that, and they still rip people off as much as humanly possible. I'd like to see tort reform, but you just ignored the fact your Republicans wouldn't vote to stop insurance companies from turning down people with previous conditions. Wouldn't stop insurance companies from getting rid of patients with conditions they didn't like. I can tell ya what would happen with tort reform. Doctors n' insurance companies would suck that money up like a cat does milk. There are 3 greedy parties here. Not just 1. All three need to be kept from ripn' people off. You've mentioned your favorite 1, but all 3 need to be fought. If you want tort reform, you better have a sure way to get the money savings to consumers. I just don't think Republicans, Doctors, or insurance companies are interested in doing that.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Vets don't have nearly the problem with that, and they still rip people off as much as humanly possible. I'd like to see tort reform, but you just ignored the fact your Republicans wouldn't vote to stop insurance companies from turning down people with previous conditions. Wouldn't stop insurance companies from getting rid of patients with conditions they didn't like. I can tell ya what would happen with tort reform. Doctors n' insurance companies would suck that money up like a cat does milk. There are 3 greedy parties here. Not just 1. All three need to be kept from ripn' people off. You've mentioned your favorite 1, but all 3 need to be fought. If you want tort reform, you better have a sure way to get the money savings to consumers. I just don't think Republicans, Doctors, or insurance companies are interested in doing that.

the republicans are in favor of eliminating pre-existing conditions by the way. It was part of the bill they released.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Vets don't have nearly the problem with that, and they still rip people off as much as humanly possible. I'd like to see tort reform, but you just ignored the fact your Republicans wouldn't vote to stop insurance companies from turning down people with previous conditions. Wouldn't stop insurance companies from getting rid of patients with conditions they didn't like. I can tell ya what would happen with tort reform. Doctors n' insurance companies would suck that money up like a cat does milk. There are 3 greedy parties here. Not just 1. All three need to be kept from ripn' people off. You've mentioned your favorite 1, but all 3 need to be fought. If you want tort reform, you better have a sure way to get the money savings to consumers. I just don't think Republicans, Doctors, or insurance companies are interested in doing that.

i 'll give you my two , but how can a bill go through with any legitmacy without tort reform , surely the democrats coffers aren't being filled by the tort lawyers in this country are they? why was it totally exclueded , to me it's as bad as no votes from the right on the bill . do harry and nancy just think everyone outsude of dc is stupid?? where is the tort refrom show it to me scuds and then i will believe that the dems aren't in it for the $$$ either

[timmgirvan]

Yada yada yada about the doctors money! the poor bastards start out wanting to do good and then after 12 yrs of school and residency, they get to pay an average of 250,000 a yr for malpractice insurance. The cost of running a decent office with capable staff isn't as easy as it would seem, as attested by any number of horror stories about dr visits. So much for playing golf on Wed morn! The insurance companies have standards by which the drs. must qualify to be included in the various plans. If not, the docs are culled from the program. Lax regulation of Drug companies and no tort reform
puts the cost of Medical care out of reach. I could go on....

[witchdoctor]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Yada yada yada about the doctors money! the poor bastards start out wanting to do good and then after 12 yrs of school and residency, they get to pay an average of 250,000 a yr for malpractice insurance. The cost of running a decent office with capable staff isn't as easy as it would seem, as attested by any number of horror stories about dr visits. So much for playing golf on Wed morn! The insurance companies have standards by which the drs. must qualify to be included in the various plans. If not, the docs are culled from the program. Lax regulation of Drug companies and no tort reform
puts the cost of Medical care out of reach. I could go on....

Tim
Malpractice insurance is not that high. Mine was only $28,000 this year. Also, I had to pay another $1200 so I can take the test to recertify for my specialty for the next 10 years.

The true cost of malpractice is not the premiums but cost of ordering tests to CYA.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by witchdoctor

Tim
Malpractice insurance is not that high. Mine was only $28,000 this year. Also, I had to pay another $1200 so I can take the test to recertify for my specialty for the next 10 years.

The true cost of malpractice is not the premiums but cost of ordering tests to CYA.

That's great for you! I wish I had a link for you,but I read that somewhere...and my neurologist confirmed it! what specialty do you practice?

[witchdoctor]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

That's great for you! I wish I had a link for you,but I read that somewhere...and my neurologist confirmed it! what specialty do you practice?

Interventional cardiology

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by witchdoctor

Interventional cardiology

ER stuff?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I think its funny Riot didnt even say a word about RileyORiley's post yet she had a response to everyone else's.

She doesnt have an agenda

I think it's funny you think there's a connection

So please, explain how MA's being in arrears of it's states' matching Medicare payments to it's own facilities has anything at all to do with the federal government?

Or how the MA program, which differs completely from the federal healthcare reform act, is pertinent to the discussion?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

55 decent Dems(and 5 filthy whores) have to do it all.

Which is beyond absurd, considering how the Constitution structured voting in the Senate to be simple majority rule - which is supposed to account for the imbalance of both small population states and large population states having equal weight via 2 senators.

The fillibuster and 60-vote-for-everything games? The GOP needs to be slapped silly. Mitch McConnell just stood up there and lied this morning in his speech before the vote. But the Dems used it, too.

I think the Senate needs to change the house rules, and the one I like is that every three days, the votes required to break fillibuster lower. After three days, it doesn't take 60 to break, it takes only 59, then 58, etc.

Debate happens, but complete obstruction of our government - which is exactly what is happening now - is removed.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by gales0678

why no tort reform in any of the bills scuds? who in wash protects the trial lawyers and there multi million dollara salaries yr ????

Gales, there is tort reform in the House bill, a 100% GOP contribution.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

the republicans are in favor of eliminating pre-existing conditions by the way. It was part of the bill they released.

Sorry - they get no credit for that from me. The GOP took away all possible control over premium costs for those people out of the Senate bill. That's how that part of the bill was "released" by them.

And it doesn't much matter what the GOP wants to try and take credit for "being in favor of", when 100% of them said Americans do not get that legal consumer protection, and 100% of them voted against it.