"Dancing Northern" Then West to East With Javier Castellano

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by CSC

Jimmy Fortune was suspended 3 days on Dar Re Mi for something far less obvious, I would give him 5-7 days to start pending what he has done in his career. In racing a missed weekend of stakes races is a good place to start, in the workplace we have a thing called 'progressive discipline' as the accumulation of offenses increases the harsher the penalties.

That's why you're not a steward.Ridiculous!

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

I'm not criticizing the call by the stewards.I'm criticizing YOU,and your statement of "They should throw the book at him",To which I say Bullshit!
It's fine they took him down,as a matter of fact,I had money with the 8 horse.You just make it sound like he did this intentionally,and that he does this all the time.Javier Castellano is a VERY professional jockey,he rides for top stables,and is VERY good at what he does.To "Throw the book at him" for an infraction like yesterdays is stupid.The stupid jockey's in the race were Starke and Gomez,who knew this horse was fading inward and made an attempt to try and get past him and failed.The smart one was LeParoux,who saw what was unfolding and went outside.

This is where we disagree, I'm not sure of his record in previous suspensions or even if he has been suspended before but he's ridden on the line before, I think he has to be made aware of this. Not punishing him is just sending a message to all the other riders and JC to ride at all costs to win. The hell with the rules so to speak.

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

I'm not criticizing the call by the stewards.I'm criticizing YOU,and your statement of "They should throw the book at him",To which I say Bullshit!
It's fine they took him down,as a matter of fact,I had money with the 8 horse.You just make it sound like he did this intentionally,and that he does this all the time.Javier Castellano is a VERY professional jockey,he rides for top stables,and is VERY good at what he does.To "Throw the book at him" for an infraction like yesterdays is stupid.The stupid jockey's in the race were Starke and Gomez,who knew this horse was fading inward and made an attempt to try and get past him and failed.The smart one was LeParoux,who saw what was unfolding and went outside.

So the two inside horses had no business being inside of a horse running in the 5 PATH????? The jocks on these two horses were supposed to know the idiot on the horse in the 5 path would start hitting him right handed and not stop despite drifting into their path?

[the_fat_man]

The 2 top herders in the country are

Javier Castellano -- East Coast

Chantal Sutherland -- when she rides in CALI


When Chantal rides in WO, she DOESN'T HERD. She rides 'fair'.

When Castellano rides in WO, as he learned yesterday, he also DOESN'T HERD.

The game is simple when the stewards allow races to be run fairly.

Allowing jocks to herd, like the NYRA and CALI stewards do, and then taking other horses down for NOT keeping a straight path is about as IRRATIONAL as it gets. No wonder hardly anyone has any faith in the stewards in CALI and NY.

I've switched my tack from, primarily, NYRA, to, primarily, WO. One reason (among many) is that I don't need to worry about jocks like Castellano constantly trying to get unfair advantages; and the stewards allowing them to do so.

I've stated this many times previously and I'll state it again: by continuing to herd at will AND refusing to be herded, Castellano will, at some point, hurt or kill another jock or jocks. And, this, IMO, will be on the stewards for not taking action to stop it.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by CSC

This is where we disagree, I'm not sure of his record in previous suspensions or even if he has been suspended before but he's ridden on the line before, I think he has to be made aware of this. Not punishing him is just sending a message to all the other riders and JC to ride at all costs to win. The hell with the rules so to speak.

Where do you get the idea he wasn't punished?He had a huge purse taken away from him!!!!

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

Where do you get the idea he wasn't punished?He had a huge purse taken away from him!!!!

And that's it, that's enough? What a good deterrent to stop offending.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by CSC

And that's it, that's enough? What a good deterrent to stop offending.

I would think that losing 30 grand may sting a little.

[docicu3]

Miami looking for points to be awarded for time of possession tonight Chuck?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Miami looking for points to be awarded for time of possession tonight Chuck?

Why they became passive with 5 minutes to play is a mystery to me.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

Where do you get the idea he wasn't punished?He had a huge purse taken away from him!!!!

LB,

Not sure that after the fact financial penalties are enough of a motivator to change behavior. I think the underlying theme for the disdain for Castellano's performance(s) from people here, stems more from a growing displeasure with the lack of pro-active action from American big track stewards on this topic than with Castellano and his weekend antics specifically.

This issue has been broached repeatedly on ATR, especially with Tony Black on his segment, and the reality seems to be that the days of the stewards' film patrol set-downs with riders, particularly younger riders, is long gone. There was a time when dangerous riding brought instant recognition from the 'stand', and attempts were made to educate the offending jock(s) in film sessions on dark days. But I don't think any venue is doing that anymore.

The general/casual indifference from stews in this country, on this issue, is a real concern. No where else in the world is there such a non-policy towards over-aggressive effort, or conversely non-effort...

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Kasept

LB,

Not sure that after the fact financial penalties are enough of a motivator to change behavior. I think the underlying theme for the disdain for Castellano's performance(s) from people here, stems more from a growing displeasure with the lack of pro-active action from American big track stewards on this topic than with Castellano and his weekend antics specifically.

This issue has been broached repeatedly on ATR, especially with Tony Black on his segment, and the reality seems to be that the days of the stewards' film patrol set-downs with riders, particularly younger riders, is long gone. There was a time when dangerous riding brought instant recognition from the 'stand', and attempts were made to educate the offending jock(s) in film sessions on dark days. But I don't think any venue is doing that anymore.

The general/casual indifference from stews in this country, on this issue, is a real concern. No where else in the world is there such a non-policy towards over-aggressive effort, or conversely non-effort...

Why has that become the norm Steve? Not to suggest "Jockey's" is reality, but they spent a recent episode on Corey Nakatani and the CHRB with C Nak called in by the stews to process a ride that was borderline seemingly implying that the dark day school was still a practice of significant prevalence. What does NYRA admin say about this issue off the record when you ask guys like Dr Hill and Mr Baeza, if they are the guys still in charge of the stews?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Why has that become the norm Steve? Not to suggest "Jockey's" is reality, but they spent a recent episode on Corey Nakatani and the CHRB with C Nak called in by the stews to process a ride that was borderline seemingly implying that the dark day school was still a practice of significant prevalence. What does NYRA admin say about this issue off the record when you ask guys like Dr Hill and Mr Baeza, if they are the guys still in charge of the stews?

Not sure when/where/why this non-action commenced.. It may fall into the same bailiwick of moderate or general inaction against positive violations, which is based in no small part on concern over legal wrangling that can result. State budgets are limited and it seems that few jurisdictions have the wherewithal these days to follow through on the drawn out appeal process of our current legal climate.

Since state run agencies like Racing Boards are invariably connected to state governments, it isn't totally surprising that there is a concerted effort to avoid things things like legal tie-ups. And just as with efforts to curb trainer/vet envelope-pushing, failure to adequately discipline careless or lazy jocks is a disservice to the game's safety and integrity.