ruffian and rachel

pdrift1 · #1 09-11-2009, 07:24 PM

when your in the momment sometimes you don't realize it. and time makes things more clearer when you have time to reflect.

using ruffian as the bar of greatness for fillys and mares as most do

so how many of you think rachel is equal to ruffian in greatness?

coming from one of the great trainers in haskins article-“I think she’s the best I’ve ever seen,” said 96-year-old racing legend John Nerud. “I don’t compare her to anyone. I’m not afraid to say she’s better than Ruffian, because she is.

your thoughts?

TheSpyder · #2 09-11-2009, 07:46 PM

As Haskins says, he does not compare on horse from one generation from another...too hard to do.
Having said that...she is the greatest of our time, and maybe of other times.

randallscott35 · #3 09-11-2009, 08:00 PM

She's better than Ruffian. Ruffian got upgraded partially as a result of her death. Not PC to say but just like artists who die, they are remembered differently.

richard burch · #4 09-11-2009, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

She's better than Ruffian. Ruffian got upgraded partially as a result of her death. Not PC to say but just like artists who die, they are remembered differently.

Not necessarily. Ruffian had 5 grade 1 wins and 3 grade 3 wins in her 11 races and i believe she did it all on the front end. Thats quite an accomplishment.

But R.A is certainly the best filly to come around in a while. Sorry Zenyatta, in this case 2nd best is also pretty damn impressive.

RockHardTen1985 · #5 09-11-2009, 08:25 PM

When we say the greatest what exactly are we saying? Is she the greatest filly of our time? I think so, my time is the last 24 years..... Im not sure she's even the greatest horse of the last 9 years. Ghostzapper and Point Given were BRILLIANT. Candy Ride was a freak, turf and dirt. Im sure I will take a lot of **** for this. But if Ghostzapper, Point Given, Candy Ride and Rachel faced each other going 1 1/8 on dirt, IMO it is very logical to say she runs last, even if she fires her best shot. Im not knocking her w/ this. If you put her Azeri, Rags in a race... I think Rachel would crush them.

randallscott35 · #6 09-11-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

When we say the greatest what exactly are we saying? Is she the greatest filly of our time? I think so, my time is the last 24 years..... Im not sure she's even the greatest horse of the last 9 years. Ghostzapper and Point Given were BRILLIANT. Candy Ride was a freak, turf and dirt. Im sure I will take a lot of **** for this. But if Ghostzapper, Point Given, Candy Ride and Rachel faced each other going 1 1/8 on dirt, IMO it is very logical to say she runs last, even if she fires her best shot.

Apparently you didn't read the title or the thread. We are looking at fillies and within that Ruffian and Rachel....Nothing else....Another reason why you got my vote for worst poster.

Thunder Gulch · #7 09-15-2009, 06:09 PM

I think you have to put her in the conversation with Ruffian, which is saying a whole lot. Clearly, Ruffian was better as a 2yo, breaking track records in her maiden races, then winning by daylight every time out. I would put Rachel's 3yo spring on par with Ruffian, and she took it to a different level in the Haskell and Woodward. I'm just happy to see a filly in this day and age that can even get folks to start talking about "Best Ever". True, these types just don't come along, so enjoy the moment.